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Dj_Kile
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Shallow tune , does this happen to you

When comparing my last tune to some of the tunes that I think are in the same genre , I can't help but feel that it is a bit shallow , but I can't figure out why , does it happen to you ,if so what do you do ?

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Storyteller
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Create more space (less instrumentation) especially in the hig end, lots of highs make a track sound flat really easy. Make sure you have some low end instruments that compliment eachother but have their own bits of character. Don't eq out too much low end instrumentation or it will sound flat quite easily as well.

My first step towards getting fuller sounding tracks was actually to EQ less and then choosing instruments more carefully.

A preview of what you're talking about could help as well...


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Dj_Kile
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quote:
Originally posted by Storyteller
A preview of what you're talking about could help as well...


I don't wanna focus on one track , I think it will limit the discussion , but your input is very helpful ,thanks

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tehlord
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My first step towards getting fuller sounding tracks was actually to EQ less and then choosing instruments more carefully.



Once you realise this, wonderful things happen.


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Atlantis-AR
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Re: Shallow tune , does this happen to you

quote:
Originally posted by Dj_Kile
I can't help but feel that it is a bit shallow

What do you mean by shallow? Can you use any other words to describe it?


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Dj_Kile
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shallow, isn't spacey enough , doesn't cover the whole spectrum of frequencies (well the range it should normally cover , mostly lack of high frequencies and sometimes mid) , feels a bit dry

these what comes to my mind when I say shallow

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Atlantis-AR
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What's been said has already been good advice then, and in the case of lacking mid range, why not turn these instruments up? Of course you may need to cut away where sounds overlap, but if you make the right choices along the way you can't really go wrong. Not sure how else to help without hearing a sample - don't cut away from the top and bottom too much, and try to fill the whole mixing space?


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Dj_Kile
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yeah , this sounds as a good way to go about this , but for the already finished track , it's bit hard to remix everything , what I'm doing is exporting each group of tracks(all basses is one group , all fx's is one group ...) as one track (wav file) , then I'm gonna work on those.
It's way better than working on the master track and way faster than remixing the whole thing

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Atlantis-AR
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quote:
Originally posted by Dj_Kile
yeah , this sounds as a good way to go about this , but for the already finished track , it's bit hard to remix everything , what I'm doing is exporting each group of tracks(all basses is one group , all fx's is one group ...) as one track (wav file) , then I'm gonna work on those.
It's way better than working on the master track and way faster than remixing the whole thing

Yeah that's true. Just keep the bit depth high (without dithering and all that) and avoid clipping or heavy compression on the output and you should be good.


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Dj_Kile
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BTW , It's remarkable how good this method work , working on each group of tracks individually . my main tools were ozone , and fabfilter pro-q , very much effective

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Raphie
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too much processing makes tracks shallow.
as a rule of thumb a track should sound fantastic without anything on the mix buss and it should sound amazing once masterted
you create space by managing the 200 < 500hz area with care. (depends on what your after)
especially the guys that use VSTi's only. These often already are pre-processed/EQ's in the patch itself, same counts for sample libraries. overdoing it gives you that over excited brittle smiley curve sound, which i hate.


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JEO
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quote:
Originally posted by Raphie
too much processing makes tracks shallow.
as a rule of thumb a track should sound fantastic without anything on the mix bus


what do you mean by this?

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