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Storyteller
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European Court Of Human Rights: Convictions For File-Sharing Violate Human Rights

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The European Court of Human Rights has declared that the copyright monopoly stands in direct conflict with fundamental Human Rights, as defined in the European Union and elsewhere. This means that as of today, nobody sharing culture in the EU may be convicted just for breaking the copyright monopoly law; the bar for convicting was raised considerably. This can be expected to have far-reaching implications, not just judicially, but in confirming that the copyright monopoly stands at odds with human rights.


There is more to it, but this is interesting. Right now, basically no one in Europe can be convicted anymore for illegal downloading music/software and such. So it's hardly impossible to protect your copyright... Any thoughts?


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jayxthekoolest
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Not terribly surprising.
Although that definitely sucks for software developers. At least musicians can still do live gigs.

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Storyteller
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I find it wrong for obvious reasons. I believe any creator of any work should be able to monetize it.

I've already accepted the fact that people download illegally and I don't mind. But saying people are in their right to download whatever they see fit without possibility to justify them just seems wrong to me on a moral and ethical standpoint.

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Not terribly surprising.
Although that definitely sucks for software developers. At least musicians can still do live gigs.


I find it very surprising to be honest. The anti-piracy lobby in Europe (as well as the USA) is huge. I'm really surprised to see Europe, where there are some very strict anti-piracy laws (especially France), became the safe haven for illegal downloaders.


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It's really just there to protect the small fry against the US making examples of them. Convictions can still be made, and the file sharing sites will remain to be targeted.

Apart from Audionews, who will remain untouchable of course.


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It's really just there to protect the small fry against the US making examples of them. Convictions can still be made, and the file sharing sites will remain to be targeted.

Apart from Audionews, who will remain untouchable of course.


I agree with this.

Some of the persecution that has gone on in the USA and elsewhere is ridiculous. I think there's a 15 year old boy in sweden actually facing jail time for downloading a dozen movies after his teacher reported him to the police.

I get that sites should be shut down but there's just too many double standards and hypocricy at the moment; youtube was sold to google as they knew there was going to legal trouble for the creators as the site was/is one giant copyright infringement, but then "partners" like Vevo do lucrative deals with the labels from which the artists have no say and receive nothing, even though they technically own the material.

There's a long way to go until we get any kind of stable and sensible status quo regarding intellectual property.

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This is probably an overreaction; the right of artists and labels to charge for a track that costs virtually nothing to distribute is no less valid than the right of a pharmaceutical company to charge for drugs that cost virtually nothing to distill. There's a fairly massive development and marketing cost, and if that cost can't be recouped, then nobody will invest it. An end to all copyright law would effectively be an end to art and entertainment as we know it.

But, as much as it is an overreaction, it is a reaction, and a legitimate one at that; I suspect not just a reaction to persecution of the little guys but also to major debacles like the megaupload case. As much as the EU hates piracy, one thing the EU hates even more is Americans getting all up in their grill. So, no surprise here at all to me, really; the constant influx of American media has always been viewed as a kind of cultural hegemony, annoying but grudgingly-tolerated, but in the last decade or so, the media companies and their slimeball lawyers have just been taking it too far, coercing worldwide courts into doling out obscene sentences for what were essentially petty crimes, whose victims represent precisely the kind of bland mass-produced crap that many Europeans would rather not have as part of their identity to begin with.

As much as we need copyright law for creativity and art to flourish, the current system is an antiquated mess, and like so many legacy systems just-barely-still-running today, there seems to be no one around anymore with the right mix of talent, experience, and passion to actually maintain it. And in those cases, the only other option is, essentially, to rebuild it from scratch.

I've been saying for years that we basically need to make a fresh start with copyright law and most IP law in general. I sincerely doubt that this decision represents anybody's end-game, it's just a formal declaration/recognition of the fact that the system we have is broken beyond repair. I don't interpret the decision as a denouncement of IP in general, it's just saying that it's not enough to let somebody rot in prison solely because they broke copyright, you have to prove that they did damage on a societal scale (i.e. beyond costing your monopoly a few extra bucks... er, euros).

I look forward to seeing what comes out of this. I hope that it is, ultimately, a system that is fair to the producer, distributor, and consumer.


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It sure sounds odd when the EU are talking about human rights when it comes to pirating. At the same time people are getting thrown out in the streets in Spain and Greece because they no longer can afford their rent because of bank bailouts.

But if they finally can start to care about human rights I guess they will be taking care of this next...right?


I think most artist have learned to live with the fact that if people don't want to pay you for your work there's nothing you can do about it. It's all about finding new ways.

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Well there is a lot you can do about it. And that is the challenge in the new ways .


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Yes I agree, it is an interesting time to be a part of.

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itsamemario
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Originally posted by SherlockCrash
It sure sounds odd when the EU are talking about human rights when it comes to pirating. At the same time people are getting thrown out in the streets in Spain and Greece because they no longer can afford their rent because of bank bailouts.

But if they finally can start to care about human rights I guess they will be taking care of this next...right?


I think most artist have learned to live with the fact that if people don't want to pay you for your work there's nothing you can do about it. It's all about finding new ways.


Well first you need to realize that there is a difference between a EU court, and a court that happens to be on the European continent.


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