So he averages 65p per track per month?

Seems legit.


Is the £9k per month pre or post costs? Who does all the artwork for those 14,000 tracks etc?

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+ He now has around 14000 tracks out there...

Bullshit. There's no way in hell that a 25-yo has produced and sold 14000 tracks. Let's just say that, on average, he spends 8 hours per track (which is a VERY conservative estimate for somebody selling music, handling the marketing, artwork, etc.). That would equate to 112,000 hours, or 12.8 years of straight time spent doing nothing but producing music - no sleep, no eating, no social life etc. And that would only include the ones that he supposedly sold. Even being somewhat realistic about it and assuming that you perhaps meant to write 1400, there's still no way that a 25-yo has produced and sold that many. Watch it, Richard, or some Nigerian prince is going to get rich off you.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Bullshit. There's no way in hell that a 25-yo has produced and sold 14000 tracks. Let's just say that, on average, he spends 8 hours per track (which is a VERY conservative estimate for somebody selling music, handling the marketing, artwork, etc.), that would equate to 112,000 hours (or 12.8 years of straight time spent doing nothing but producing music - no sleep, no eating, no social life) of time spent producing, and that would only include the ones that he supposedly sold.

No read again, he produces nothing at all.

I've seen the draft accounts and receipts, it all look legit.

He's some sort of super networker that has this army of cheap producers banging tracks out which he then sticks on the various platforms with a bit of artwork and says he now has a total of 14,000 out there.
The producers are all ghost.

I'd imagine he has a pretty slick pinned down process for banging out the art and getting the tracks onto platforms.

I have a huge bullshit detector, and yep something doesn't seem right here, but so far I can't see he's told me any lies, all looks legit.

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Originally posted by tehlord So he averages 65p per track per month? Seems legit. Is the £9k per month pre or post costs? Who does all the artwork for those 14,000 tracks etc?

He says he does everything, and it's all from his damned bedroom!

The £9k is post costs, although I haven't seen the full non draft accounts yet.
His Bank statements show broadly a £9k profit which seems to be rising about £1k per month.

The money way well come from the karaoke stuff, licensing and shit. If he networks that well and has the sheer volume on the game/tv licencing sites then £9k per month isn't that hard to believe.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler No read again, he produces nothing at all.

OK, my bad. That's *more* believable, but I think your BS detector is probably on the right track. Getting 14K tracks "out there" (i.e., even just promotion, artwork) is a substantial amount of work, I'm sure.

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Originally posted by cryophonik OK, my bad. That's *more* believable, but I think your BS detector is probably on the right track. Getting 14K tracks "out there" (i.e., even just promotion, artwork) is a substantial amount of work, I'm sure.

Could be some bull in there but he comes across like Steve Duda, very straight forward and quietly confident - the sort that does anything on a computer 3 x quicker than normal if you get me. Not flash, not bragging.

I deal mainly with business owners and all too often they got rich by finding some little niche all their own that everyone else thought would not possibly work. One super rich dude made a pile out of selling ridiculous wizards shit online, Ouija boards and wands that sort of thing.

I don't think you comprehend how many tracks are 14,000 tracks, its pretty much like having your name on EVERY Trance track released between 1999-2006.

I'm sorry but i'll respectfully call bullshit.

If you look real hard he is probably the co-creator of Silk Road.

I think you guys are missing the point here. If he's putting music up on library and licensing sites then the 'tracks' may well be 2-3 minutes long. I know guys that do this for a living and they do 5-10 cues per week, on a slow week. 1500 tracks over a 3 year period is fairly normal. Now if this guy is 'subbing' this work out to 20-30 guys, the numbers start to add up fast.

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Originally posted by tehlord I think you guys are missing the point here. If he's putting music up on library and licensing sites then the 'tracks' may well be 2-3 minutes long. I know guys that do this for a living and they do 5-10 cues per week, on a slow week. 1500 tracks over a 3 year period is fairly normal. Now if this guy is 'subbing' this work out to 20-30 guys, the numbers start to add up fast.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, I'm just saying that the 14K number is not very believable. 1500 tracks over a three-year period is believable - 9 times that number isn't IMO. That said, it doesn't surprise me that there are 20-somethings raking in six figures from EDM, karaoke, etc., I'm just pretty sure that the 14K number is a gross exaggeration.

But, what the hell do I know. I'm just glad somebody's making money off our music while I'm trying to decide if I should replace my noisy MOTU interface with an RME or and Apollo for my hobby studio/money pit.

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Let's say he has been doing this for 3 years, now managing 14k tracks
Let's say he works 48 weeks a year.
That means he pushed out 14000/3/48
=97 tracks a week, every week.....no way....
Maybe he sells dope with it?

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