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Because the audio engine is better.

other way around.

lol logic audio ?

yikes.

audio -> protools
midi and audio -> ableton

logic is really laggin behind .

I use logic as a linear way to use stuff done with ableton.
And score stuff that doesn't have much production stuff .


flstudio is probably the best choice for someone doing edm. the modular patcher tool is neat.

I always thought sonar was great but cubase workflow seems more natural.

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Was a joke. It harks back to the whole bollocks audio engine debate between cubase, logic and sonar which was proved to be utter nonsense. Some geek actually took the time and adjusted the eq curves and gain staging so so that all things were equal between platforms and then got a perfect null test on the same audio files.

Midi? Sure, world of difference. Audio? fuck all.

In a world where Cubase exists, why Logic?

I mean I have both and Logics plugins are nice, but fuck the rest of it. When automation can actually be NOTES out of time. And snap should be renamed snap'ish.

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Originally posted by tehlord In a world where Cubase exists, why Logic? I mean I have both and Logics plugins are nice, but fuck the rest of it. When automation can actually be NOTES out of time. And snap should be renamed snap'ish.

That's my biggest peeve. My engineers brain (read: OCD) will not allow automation to be imperfect and I swear I waste more time on getting it to fucking place correctly than I do anything else.

And snap? What snap? It's like it just chooses some random integer to align align to even though you've already selected beat bar or note. In a lot of circumstances, I switch off snap and just noodle with it all afterwards.

I wish there was a *ahem* demo version of Cubase that allowed me to properly try it. No, I'm not going to buy a dongle just to use the legit demo.

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Originally posted by tehlord In a world where Cubase exists, why Logic? I mean I have both and Logics plugins are nice, but fuck the rest of it. When automation can actually be NOTES out of time. And snap should be renamed snap'ish.

Its cheap IF you already have the Mac dongle and I guess having Alchemy / the builtin plugs are big for some people.

That said, I tried it and didn't really care for it. Cubase was much more up my alley for "workstation" production where I have plenty of screen real estate across multiple monitors.

Mix console on the left, arrangement on the right, bring the MIDI editor or media bay up over the mix console... I really don't get all the Steinberg/Cubase hate over on KVR, its a fantastic DAW...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's my biggest peeve. My engineers brain (read: OCD) will not allow automation to be imperfect and I swear I waste more time on getting it to fucking place correctly than I do anything else. And snap? What snap? It's like it just chooses some random integer to align align to even though you've already selected beat bar or note. In a lot of circumstances, I switch off snap and just noodle with it all afterwards. I wish there was a *ahem* demo version of Cubase that allowed me to properly try it. No, I'm not going to buy a dongle just to use the legit demo.

Cubase Elements 8 runs without a dongle. I have it on the Macbook when I don't want to plug it into my desktop setup.

Cubase 8 is simply beautiful. I've used Cubase since v4 and it's evolved a great deal in the last couple of revisions.

The only fly in the ointment for me is that it still doesn't offer a truly transparent drum solution for fast workflow. The greatest thing about Live for me is the way drum rack integrates itself into the Live workflow and the fold mode in the midi clips giving you quick and easy drum programming. Cubase is archaic in this area, but then plugins like Geist solve that with their drum programming workspace, following the DAW locators etc.

Up to v6 I wouldn't have recommended people buy a dongle to demo Cubase, but now at v8 I definitely would!

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Originally posted by djnitride Its cheap IF you already have the Mac dongle and I guess having Alchemy / the builtin plugs are big for some people. That said, I tried it and didn't really care for it. Cubase was much more up my alley for "workstation" production where I have plenty of screen real estate across multiple monitors. Mix console on the left, arrangement on the right, bring the MIDI editor or media bay up over the mix console... I really don't get all the Steinberg/Cubase hate over on KVR, its a fantastic DAW...

I really dig the wokspace hotkeys too, although I still don't have the muscle memory to get the best use out of them.

KVR users want everything for free unless they're selling something, in which case you need to understand all the hard work that goes into everything blah blah.

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Originally posted by tehlord Cubase Elements 8 runs without a dongle. I have it on the Macbook when I don't want to plug it into my desktop setup. Cubase 8 is simply beautiful. I've used Cubase since v4 and it's evolved a great deal in the last couple of revisions. The only fly in the ointment for me is that it still doesn't offer a truly transparent drum solution for fast workflow. The greatest thing about Live for me is the way drum rack integrates itself into the Live workflow and the fold mode in the midi clips giving you quick and easy drum programming. Cubase is archaic in this area, but then plugins like Geist solve that with their drum programming workspace, following the DAW locators etc. Up to v6 I wouldn't have recommended people buy a dongle to demo Cubase, but now at v8 I definitely would! I really dig the wokspace hotkeys too, although I still don't have the muscle memory to get the best use out of them. KVR users want everything for free unless they're selling something, in which case you need to understand all the hard work that goes into everything blah blah.

Cheers for the info Geoff.

So after getting too fucked off with logic's inability to snap and some weird timing bug with Predator that I just can't shake, I took the plunge and installed Cubase 8 Elements.

It's amazing that t feels like cubase from back in the day ( i.e. v5 on XP) but is still current. I've only taken a quick tour but so far it does most of the things I need.

Does anyone have that key command cheat sheet? There was a great one back in the day that was laid out like a keyboard and even had the numeric keypad on it but I can't find it now

And lol, so true about KVR. They bitch and moan about anything they have to pay for unless they're selling it.

I've bought and sold Live twice over the past ten years or so, and I currently have Logic Pro X on my Mac. Neither one is/was my main DAW, so it's really not like I "switched" from Live to Logic, per se. I've tried to like Live, but I can't get into its workflow, it has too many features that I don't need, and not enough of the ones I want. Logic's workflow is much more like Sonar and Pro Tools, so it feels much more intuitive to me.

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Thanks my brosephs.

I've just never been able to get in to live. I like it for jamming but I just can't get my head around it for producing.

I have been a real logic fan but it's a few basic things that drive me crazy and I just have no idea why the implement things like stacks and chord channels when they can't get fundamental things like basic automation functions to work and snap settings to behave in a normal manner.

The other advantage is that it's cross platform obviously. Looking forward to getting back in to Cubase this weekend!