All the people who contributed to that film can go fuck themselves.

The entertainment industry doesn't deserve to touch that subject...

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You know if it was just about anyone else I would agree, but seeing at what Oliver Stone has done with movies in the past there might be a chance of people coming out of it thinking it was done very well.

It's easy to be so opinionated now, but should wait to see how the movie is first.

I've actually read the script, and there's no room for Stone's skewed-left politics (which is what has a lot of people worried). Its a very personal story, dealing strictly with two men's survival under the wreckage, cross cutting with their families slow discovery of the tragedy.

I literally almost started crying reading the script, so one can only imagine how the film will turn out.

I think when handled by the right people (a la "United 93"), films that deal with 9/11 are cathartic

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Originally posted by Clovis86 All the people who contributed to that film can go fuck themselves. The entertainment industry doesn't deserve to touch that subject...

that what I said when Titanic came out.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 All the people who contributed to that film can go fuck themselves. The entertainment industry doesn't deserve to touch that subject...

Personally, I'm just not ready for any films related to 9/11. I don't think I ever will be.

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Originally posted by Clovis86 All the people who contributed to that film can go fuck themselves. The entertainment industry doesn't deserve to touch that subject...

I think it would be good if they donated all the profits and proceeds to the city of New York in the Construction of the memorial, and/or to the families that lost their loved ones in this.

Personally though... I just can't watch it. It is sick to see how much pain a few people can cause...

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Originally posted by Clovis86 All the people who contributed to that film can go fuck themselves. The entertainment industry doesn't deserve to touch that subject...

Holy shit....we agree on something.

I lost 5 people I know including a friend who I had hooked up with a job at one of the companies in wtc 5.....

I didnt sleep for 5 days hoping they would somehow be ok and walk out of the rubble...If hollywood thinks I will spend 1 damned cent on this movie they are crazy!

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i also have no interest in movies whose subject matter capitalizes on real, and especially fresh human tragedy. actually i probably go to the theaters less than 10 times a year anyway, but still... movies like this and flight 93 have no appeal with me. the whole art of movie making is creating a fictional story that draws the viewer in emotionally even though they know none of it is real. and if you want to piggyback on historical events, it's only fair to do so when there's some profound message/theme that needs to be raised (ie: certain vietnam movies, jfk). mourning the victims of 9/11 hardly qualifies as that. it's not as if this movie needs to be made because americans don't appreciate the gravity of the situation. those that take famously tragic events that have really touched people and rehash them on the silver screen just to let the morbidly curious revisit such experiences in surround sound are cheap exploitations, no matter how tastefully executed... and how aptly timed for the midterm elections too... a convinient emotional push for hardliners to campaign on...

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if you look at art as something that will live on beyond our lifetime, something that captures the human spirit and freezes it immortally in whatever medium it is presented in, you can understand why its important to make such films while the events are still so fresh in our memory.

i'll be the first to admit people have every right to be skeptical of Hollywood making a film just 5 years after the biggest tragedy in American history. Hollywood is a big, corrupt, capitalist machine that often exploits its subjects just to earn the dollar. its a business, just like selling carpets or owning a restaurant.

but every now and then, actual art sneaks through Hollywood's facade. in 1979, 4 years after millions of US troops were killed and psychologically scarred in the Vietnam conflict, Francis Ford Coppola made one of the greatest war films of all time "Apocalypse Now". "The Deer Hunter" came out the year before. why were these films successful pieces of art that still hold up today? because they were created in the moment, they felt real because the events were fresh in everyone's mind.

i don't want to offend anyone, as this is obviously a subject that requires much care. but as a filmmaker myself, i see the historical and social importance of making such films, albeit making them in a tasteful way.

apocalypse now and deer hunter both conveyed a human side of the war that the american public denied existed at the time. what will this film offer? there is no love lost for those who were victimized by the wtc attacks or flight 93... this is the equivalent of those made-for-tv movies that sprung up after waco, oklahoma city, etc... it'll recount the entire event from a dramatized firsthand pov and that alone will draw in millions of ticket sales meaning an easy return on pretty much a guaranteed box office success...

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Originally posted by lex400sc apocalypse now and deer hunter both conveyed a human side of the war that the american public denied existed at the time. what will this film offer? there is no love lost for those who were victimized by the wtc attacks or flight 93... this is the equivalent of those made-for-tv movies that sprung up after waco, oklahoma city, etc... it'll recount the entire event from a dramatized firsthand pov and that alone will draw in millions of ticket sales meaning an easy return on pretty much a guaranteed box office success...

one of the biggest problems vietnam vets faced when they returned was that nobody wanted to talk to them. they were affected physically and mentally by the war and it was apparent to the general public, but no one wanted to or knew how to talk to them. they were ghosts, they were the elephant in the room, and everyone ignored them.

there needs to be some sort of public discourse for those ready to deal with the 9/11 tragedies. not everyone is, but many are. EVERY SINGLE surviving family of United 93 flight gave their goodwill to Universal and Paul Greengrass to make the film. I don't know for sure if the same goes for "WTC", but I do know that they had a screening of the film in NY, which several victims' families attended and which ALL proceeds went to the 9/11 fund, and I'd imagine they're doing something similar when it releases wide.

the film is based on the stories of the two men, who were also consultants on the film. Oliver Stone wanted to stay so true to the actual events that no detail is left to chance, exhaustively talking to as many people as he could to shape the film in an honest way. the motivation isn't dramatization for dramatization's sake. this is a story about heroes, told in a straightforward unflinching way, and who knows if it will be successful at the B.O., but I'm sure it will be succeessful as art.