YaY Lets make a BBQ!

Heavent seen the news, and well, Im SURE it will be fired up all over FOX and the rest of the networks.

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yeah, i can see the headlines now...


CLINTON AIDE COOPERATES!


well, i am gleaming light into the bush voters and why they still support him. supportive facts and evidence of wrongdoing mean nothing as long as there are no confessions. if there is an admission of guilt...

i feel strangely broadened, thanks imokrouk

some of you guys were ready to torch Bush for protecting his own NSA and PDB's and now the former NSA steals highly classified material during the same investigation and you guy's dismiss it like it's nothin!

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Originally posted by imokruok Surprisingly, this story is getting major play on the news networks tonight.

Surprising my ass! Anything that involves Clinton, esp. in a negative light, is exposed a thousand-fold more times than Bush will EVER get exposed for in this conservative-cooperate slanted media. Need I remind everyone, yet again, that Bill Clinton's "draft dodging" merited 13,641 major news stories, while GW Bush's desertion merit only 49 prior to the 2000 election?

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The stunner is that he actually admits to taking classified information out of the room, by stuffing it in his pants!

The stunner to me is that when caught, this guy actually admits it. Quite a contrast to folks in the Bush Administration.

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All you Dems are perfectly happy to come up with conspiracy theories about the Bush administration with little or no evidence to back up your claims. Now it's our turn, and we've got an admission of guilt already.

Either you refuse to read or refuse to acknowledge the information against your conservative President, which I have clearly brought forth here in the past. Bush's lies, distortions, cover-ups and undying desire for secrecy are legion, but that is certainly another issue.

As for Berger, I'm absolutely disgusted with his behavior, and I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent. I would like to know what specific documents he supposedly "accidentally" destroyed.

My response to Berger "accidentally" destroying records is the same as that coincidental, "accidental" destroying of Bush's military records during his 3 month absence:

RIIIIIIGHT!

I find that very few events with politicians are accidental.

But speaking of missing records, anyone know why Bush still refuses to release ALL of the Clinton counter-terrorist records to the 9/11 Commission?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Surprising my ass! Anything that involves Clinton, esp. in a negative light, is exposed a thousand-fold more times than Bush will EVER get exposed for in this conservative-cooperate slanted media.

The NY Times, the LA Times, and the Washington Post all buried the story today several pages into its first section. Page A17 in the NYT - a virtual wasteland for news. Wow...it's a good thing the media isn't liberal.

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Ok, I read the story, as it appeared in the portal of the AOL welcome screen. I wont say I dont find it fishy, but what would he be hiding?!?!.. How Clinton protected the US from Al Quaide in 2000?? cause as far as I know, thats what he did. Secondly, this guy Berger admits taking them as a way to research and read through, and turn in useful information to the commission, with no intents of hiding them or stealing.. and he also mentions that when said that documents were missing, he rapidly brought them back, except for three that he did not find. Well, Im yet to see what this unfolds to..

Thirdly.. you should have gone totally mad when Bush denied releasing the documents regarding prio 9.11 to the commission.. you should judge those actions as much as this shouldnt you?.

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a lot of rampant selective reasoning going on here. thats great.

If the guy is so innocent, why did he stuff the shit in his pants? Why not just carry a briefcase like any self-respecting, income-earning, common-sensical person? I'd like to get more details on this story as it unfolds.

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Originally posted by Shakka If the guy is so innocent, why did he stuff the shit in his pants? Why not just carry a briefcase like any self-respecting, income-earning, common-sensical person? I'd like to get more details on this story as it unfolds.

On the story I read, he actually did.. he put some on his briefcase, and the jacket.. if I find something I will post here.

Here I found some other source..

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Ex-Clinton Adviser Admits Taking Classified Terror Memos Berger Regrets 'Sloppiness' During Research Session at National Archives WASHINGTON (July 20) -- Sandy Berger, former President Clinton's national security adviser, is under criminal investigation by the Justice Department after highly classified terrorism documents disappeared while he was reviewing what should be turned over to the Sept. 11 commission. Berger's home and office were searched earlier this year by FBI agents armed with warrants after the former Clinton adviser voluntarily returned some sensitive documents to the National Archives and admitted he also removed handwritten notes he had made while reviewing the sensitive documents. However, some drafts of a sensitive after-action report on the Clinton administration's handling of al-Qaida terror threats during the December 1999 millennium celebration are still missing, officials and lawyers told The Associated Press. Al Felzenberg, spokesman for the Sept. 11 commission, said Tuesday the Berger investigation will not impact the panel's work in any way. The 10-member bipartisan panel releases its final report on Thursday. ''This is a matter between the government and an individual,'' he said. ''They were not our documents, and we believe we have access to all the materials we need to see to do our report.'' Berger and his lawyer said Monday night he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket and pants, and also inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio. ''I deeply regret the sloppiness involved, but I had no intention of withholding documents from the commission, and to the contrary, to my knowledge, every document requested by the commission from the Clinton administration was produced,'' Berger said in a statement to the AP. The Archives, which is the nation's repository for presidential papers, is believed to have copies of some of the missing documents. Lanny Breuer, one of Berger's attorneys, said his client has offered to cooperate fully with the investigation but had not yet been interviewed by the FBI or prosecutors. Berger has been told he is the subject of the criminal investigation, Breuer said. Berger served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of the president's second term and most recently has been informally advising Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry. Clinton asked Berger last year to review and select the administration documents that would be turned over to the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The FBI searches of Berger's home and office occurred after National Archives employees told agents they believed they witnessed Berger place documents in his clothing while reviewing sensitive Clinton administration papers and that some documents were then noticed missing, officials said. When asked, Berger said he returned some classified documents that he found in his office and all of the handwritten notes he had taken from the secure room, but could not locate two or three copies of the highly classified millennium terror report. ''In the course of reviewing over several days thousands of pages of documents on behalf of the Clinton administration in connection with requests by the Sept. 11 commission, I inadvertently took a few documents from the Archives,'' Berger said. ''When I was informed by the Archives that there were documents missing, I immediately returned everything I had except for a few documents that I apparently had accidentally discarded,'' he said. Breuer said Berger believed he was looking at copies of the classified documents, not originals. There are laws strictly governing the handling of classified information, including prohibiting unauthorized removal or release of such information. Government and congressional officials familiar with the investigation, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because the probe involves classified materials, said the investigation remains active and no decision has been made on whether Berger should face criminal charges. The officials said the missing documents were highly classified, and included critical assessments about the Clinton administration's handling of the millennium terror threats as well as identification of America's terror vulnerabilities at airports to sea ports. David Gergen, who was an adviser to Clinton and worked with Berger for a time in the White House, said Tuesday, ''I think it's more innocent than it looks.'' Appearing on NBC's ''Today'' show, Gergen said, ''I have known Sandy Berger for a long time. He would never do anything to compromise the security of the United States.'' Gergen said he thought that ''it is suspicious'' that word of the investigation of Berger would emerge just as the Sept. 11 commission is about to release its report, since ''this investigation started months ago.'' Berger testified publicly at one of the commission's hearings about the Clinton administration's approach to fighting terrorism, while the former president met in private with the commission to answer questions. Berger himself had ordered his anti-terror czar Richard Clarke in early 2000 to write the after-action report and has publicly spoken about how the review brought to the forefront the realization that al-Qaida had reached America's shores and required more attention. The missing documents involve two or three draft versions of the report as it was evolving and being refined by the Clinton administration, according to officials and lawyers. In the FBI search of his office, Berger also was found in possession of a small number of classified note cards containing his handwritten notes from the Middle East peace talks during the 1990s, but those are not a focal point of the current criminal probe, according to officials and lawyers. Breuer said the Archives staff first raised concerns with Berger during an Oct. 2 review of documents that at least one copy of the post-millennium report he had reviewed earlier was missing. Berger was given a second copy that day, Breuer said. Officials familiar with the investigation said Archive staff specially marked the documents and when the new copy and others disappeared, Archive officials called Clinton attorney Bruce Lindsey to raise concerns. Berger immediately returned all the notes he had taken, and conducted a search and located two copies of the classified documents on a messy desk in his office, Breuer said. An Archives official came to Berger's home to collect those documents but Berger couldn't locate the other missing copies, the lawyer said. Breuer said Berger was allowed to take handwritten notes but also knew that taking his own notes out of the secure reading room was a ''technical violation of Archive procedures, but it is not all clear to us this represents a violation of the law.'' Justice officials have informed the Sept. 11 commission of the Berger incident and the nature of the documents in case commissioners had any concerns, officials said. Berger is the second high-level Clinton-era official to face controversy over taking classified information home. Former CIA Director John Deutch was pardoned by President Clinton just hours before Clinton left office in 2001 for taking home classified information and keeping it on unsecured computers at his home during his time at the CIA and Pentagon. Deutch was just about to enter into a plea agreement for a misdemeanor charge of mishandling government secrets when the pardon was granted. 07-20-04 1202 EDT Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.

So yes.. he indeed placed some in his pants, jacket, portfolio.. what a cock, though the commission had access to all of what they needed to know.. is not like he's hiding something terrible, like.. the Bush Connections with the Saudis hehehe sorry I just had to lol.

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law enforcement sources told CNN that some of the papers he is said to have taken from the National Archives were stuffed into his socks as well as other parts of his clothing. http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLI...robe/index.html

[raises eyebrow if true]

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Berger said Monday that he returned everything he had after the National Archives told him documents were missing, "except for a few documents that apparently I had accidentally discarded."

[eyebrow raised]

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The investigation has been under way since October, and its disclosure the week before the Democratic National Convention in Boston -- and just days before the 9/11 commission is due to release its report -- led sources close to Berger to question whether the news was leaked for political reasons. "This has been kept confidential for months," a former Clinton administration colleague said. "So why now?" But an administration source told CNN that any suggestion the Justice Department leaked the investigation on purpose now is "simply not true."

[both eyebrows raised]

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Charles Colson (under Nixon) went to jail for mishandling just one confidential file from the FBI. But Hillary Clinton got a pass on nearly 1,000 of them found in one of her closets. So...I guess we have a new standard. Berger did nothing wrong. Move on. Nothing to see here.

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