I wish the Ukrainians good luck.

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I think what's going on in the Ukraine now is everything Americans feared would go on here during our election. It's very scary, and I'm sure glad I'm not in the Ukranian position at this point.

Ukraine's parliament has voted that the result of the country's disputed elections should be annulled, and the country's Central Election Commission should be dissolved.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europ...aine/index.html

No shit, with 11,000 instances of vote fraud that the opposition party took to the courts.

Hopefully we get another election going that won't be rigged this time.

And what's so scary about what's going on in Ukraine? There's no violence between the two groups of supporters at all. Those people aren't there because they are sore losers with violence the only thing to make them feel better, but because their victory was stolen from them thanks to voter fraud on Yanukovich's part, and they want justice. What, you wouldn't want justice?

Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

I think there are at least a few

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

The E.U. and the U.S. both tried to withold the results from the public until they could review and make sure the votes weren't tampered with but Kuchma declared Yanukovych the new president. But the new headlines say the election is annuled, so we'll just have to wait it out.

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Originally posted by Cal Ukraine's parliament has voted that the result of the country's disputed elections should be annulled, and the country's Central Election Commission should be dissolved. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europ...aine/index.html No shit, with 11,000 instances of vote fraud that the opposition party took to the courts. Hopefully we get another election going that won't be rigged this time. And what's so scary about what's going on in Ukraine? There's no violence between the two groups of supporters at all. Those people aren't there because they are sore losers with violence the only thing to make them feel better, but because their victory was stolen from them thanks to voter fraud on Yanukovich's part, and they want justice. What, you wouldn't want justice?

I wouldn't want 11,000 cases of voting fraud and even the need for a re-election. I have nothing wrong with seeking justice, or a fair election, I just think it's sad/scary that it's even come to this point. I hope they do get to the bottom of things, I'm just sorry they've even had to worry about it in the first place.

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Originally posted by Cal And what's so scary about what's going on in Ukraine? There's no violence between the two groups of supporters at all. Those people aren't there because they are sore losers with violence the only thing to make them feel better, but because their victory was stolen from them thanks to voter fraud on Yanukovich's part, and they want justice. What, you wouldn't want justice?

I think you're kinda underestimating the situation there. The country is clearly divided in 2 pretty polarized entities. It looks even though as it might split in two parts.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 I think you're kinda underestimating the situation there. The country is clearly divided in 2 pretty polarized entities. It looks even though as it might split in two parts.

the american election was very divided aswell, but the o****ry was never ever gonna split in 2 over it. Cant see that happening in the Ukraine either

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Originally posted by Michael19 the american election was very divided aswell, but the o****ry was never ever gonna split in 2 over it. Cant see that happening in the Ukraine either

The United States also didn't have wide-spread protests aimed at shutting down the government, or a governing body that declared the results of the elction null. At this point, and as said before, I thinking we're all grossly underestimating the serverity of the situation.

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Threat of east-west split looms in Ukraine By Stefan Wagstyl in Kiev and Tom Warner in Donetsk Published: November 28 2004 15:14 | Last updated: November 28 2004 21:02 Regional leaders in eastern Ukraine on Sunday raised the stakes in the bitter dispute over the presidential election by threatening to seek autonomy if prime minister Viktor Yanukovich was denied victory. President Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland, who has been mediating in the dispute, warned of a “realistic risk” of an east-west split in Ukraine, particularly in a clear reference to Russia if it were supported by outside forces. Mr Yanukovich, who is backed by Moscow, visited his strongholds in eastern Ukraine, where regional political leaders meeting in Luhansk called for a referendum on December 12 to establish an autonomous region. The leaders' vote, which has no legal force, highlighted widespread anger in the east at opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko's success in mobilising other central and western regions, including Kiev. Mr Yushchenko, supported by the US and the European Union, has rejected Mr Yanukovich's election victory, saying the vote was rigged. Mr Yanukovich told Reuters he did not support a referendum on autonomy. He urged protesters to avoid violence: “I say that today we are on the brink of catastrophe. There is one step to the edge . . .Do not take any radical steps. . . When the first drop of blood is spilled, we will not be able to stop it.” The Supreme Court is expected on Monday to consider the appeal by Mr Yushchenko to declare the vote fraudulent and invalid, in a move which his supporters hope could pave the way for new elections next month. The rival camps made little progress over the weekend in talks aimed at resolving the political crisis, let alone in setting conditions for new elections. Mr Yanukovich's supporters insisted he was the election winner, while Mr Yushchenko demanded the resignation of Mr Yanukovich, cabinet ministers and officials allegedly involved in election fraud. Mr Yushchenko urged his followers to maintain the protests that have involved hundreds of thousands of people across the country, including Kiev, where he has ignored demands from President Leonid Kuchma to lift a blockade of official buildings. Mr Kuchma on Sunday responded with a veiled threat to deploy the security forces. Echoing the words last week of Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, who has openly backed Mr Yanukovich, he warned that blockades were inadmissible in any state and that democratic governments had learnt how to respond firmly in such situations. Roman Zvarych, an aide to Mr Yushchenko, said supporters had asked the security services to investigate rumours Russian troops had arrived in Ukraine. In a sign that he might be open to compromise, Mr Kuchma said he welcomed Saturday's meeting of parliament, where deputies declared the elections invalid. The vote has no legal force, but sends a strong political signal.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Maybe there should be a worldwide organization to monitor votes?

Sure like we really need to have the UN interfere in anyones' internal affairs.

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Originally posted by Michael19 the american election was very divided aswell, but the o****ry was never ever gonna split in 2 over it. Cant see that happening in the Ukraine either

That's why there's a media blackout as intended.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono The United States also didn't have wide-spread protests aimed at shutting down the government, or a governing body that declared the results of the elction null. At this point, and as said before, I thinking we're all grossly underestimating the serverity of the situation.

If the people of America are told the truth about voter fraud then of course there would be wide spread protests.

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