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Venezuela negotiating Russian subs purchase Friday, June 29, 2007 By AFP MOSCOW, June 29, 2007 (AFP) - Venezuela is negotiating the purchase of five diesel-electric powered submarines from Russia, the Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport said Friday. "Negotiations are underway between the Russian Federation and Venezuela on the purchase of five submarines," Innokenty Nalyotov, an advisor to Rosoboronexport's chief, was quoted as saying by Interfax and RIA Novosti news agencies. Russia was also discussing possible sales of army and airforce material, Nalyotov said at a naval exhibition in Saint Petersburg, Interfax said. The report came on the second day of a visit to Russia by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who has made a priority of modernising and expanding his oil-rich country's armed forces and last year bought aircraft and rifles from Russia. Russia is a major arms supplier to the Latin American country despite strong criticism from the United States, which accuses Chavez of building an authoritarian state. The submarine under negotiation is known in Russia as the Project 636 and in NATO classification as Kilo Class. According to Rosoboronexport, the 73.8-metre (242-foot) submarine can dive to 300 metres (984-feet) and carries six torpedo tubes, with 18 torpedoes, and an anti-ship cruise missile system. Chavez has said Venezuela is interested in purchasing submarines to protect extensive offshore energy fields.

http://www.france24.com/france24Pub...gotiations.html
Latin America doesn't want North American regime
and has Russian technology.

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Venezuela has a large coastline to protect. Though submarines are more dangerous, because they might be considered a threat to US and treated as such ... well, I think a few hundred of the latest MIG's / SU's will be enough, which they dont have yet anyway (in that number).

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Didn't someone tell Chavez that Russkie high tech mil hardware mostly suck?

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

lol it doesn't suck. train the crew properly with that technology they can easily overrun all of Latin America and quiet possibly hold of the USA for a few months.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Didn't someone tell Chavez that Russkie high tech mil hardware mostly suck?

Yes, Russian new military equipment sucks so much that Russia is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and exporters in the world (behind US, of course). Lot of idiots out there, eh? Besides, Russian military equipment is so bad, then why do countries keep on buying it, not the Chinese or the US or the French, British, German, etc. munitions? Even Chinese are ripping off Russian technology and making, selling millions of Kalashnikovs, Russian tanks, space technology, etc. As a matter of a fact, if it wasnt for Russia, space station would be f*cked today. For how many years were shuttles grounded? How many people died on them? Compare that to the reliability and cost effectiveness of Soyuz capsule, a 40 year testament to Russian military and technologic advancement.

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the Russians did fuck up in space when all their computers on board the ISS crashed at once putting the astronaut's lives at risk and shutting down the trajectory control systems. Good thing the Americans had their Atlantis docked with the ISS, which fired its boosters periodically to keep space station on course. So much for Russian hardware.

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Originally posted by Omega_M the Russians did fuck up in space when all their computers on board the ISS crashed at once putting the astronaut's lives at risk and shutting down the trajectory control systems. Good thing the Americans had their Atlantis docked with the ISS, which fired its boosters periodically to keep space station on it's course. So much for Russian hardware.

Imagine what it would have been it there were no Russian computers on board ... if US had better computer systems for ISS, why didnt they place them there? After all, Russia has a huge stake and lots of equipment in the ISS. That shows technological advancement, reliability, experience. What happened with Russian computers can happen and has happened with any other computer systems, especially in such extreme and fragile places like outer space. And judging by how its the first time such a massive crash has happened, its not as bad. And most of the computers are back online, last time I checked last week (probably all are back now). Interesting to note that the crashes mostly happen when there's a lot of tasks that need to be done, especially with people on board. If there was better computers to perform the duties those computers were designed to do, then we wouldn't need Russians in the ISS, now, would we?

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It's stupid for Russia to sell off the weapon to Chavez. It will piss Americans more so both nations wouldn't have chance to agree on Anti-Ballistic missle system.

A new cold war is coming.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Yes, Russian new military equipment sucks so much that Russia is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and exporters in the world (behind US, of course). Lot of idiots out there, eh? Besides, Russian military equipment is so bad, then why do countries keep on buying it, not the Chinese or the US or the French, British, German, etc. munitions? Even Chinese are ripping off Russian technology and making, selling millions of Kalashnikovs, Russian tanks, space technology, etc. As a matter of a fact, if it wasnt for Russia, space station would be f*cked today. For how many years were shuttles grounded? How many people died on them? Compare that to the reliability and cost effectiveness of Soyuz capsule, a 40 year testament to Russian military and technologic advancement.

its affordable

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Venezuela has a large coastline to protect.

no they don't, Chavez just needs an enemy.

it's so transparent it's laughable.

don't be so dumb to fall for his bullshit. or you're no better than me and Bush, right?

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Originally posted by Sunsnail its affordable

ding ding ding. winnar!

after the fall of soviet union, all the east sov bloc nations had excess Russian hardware to get rid of, which tin pot dictator and rebel types were happy to get their hands on.

By comparison, you'd have to get through a lot more red tape to get hands on NATO hardware.

Not to mention they were buying small arms stuff like AK47, RPG 7 because buying tanks and fighters would require a bigger logistic support than most of these tin pot dictator/rebel types have available, or have money to build.

As for the Chinese, they've already used Russian gear for long time. Why would they want to introduce new gear that they aren't as proficient at and they've already have tech base to build and improve at home, plus not to mention US wouldn't sell to China?

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by Sunsnail its affordable

I think you hit the nail on the head too.

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