Why don't you apply to join the EU!

Why does the NDP always throw up knee-jerked road blocks?
They certainly know how to tug at people's patriotism when it comes to 'protecting Canada' from the evils of the world.

North America is going to enhance its own trading block to be able to compete better in larger global markets when it comes to facing the EU / India and Chinas of the world.
Increasing trade (especially our immediate neighbors) is not a bad thing.

What exactly do they hope to accomplish other than creating oversite committees against committees already in place, confusing the public and more importantly, seizing the opportunity for themselves to look like the people's knight in shining armour?

How exactly is this a, "Profound consequences on Canada’s existence as a sovereign nation" when we ALREADY have trade agreements such as NAFTA in place??

This is nothing more than the NDP drumming up the public's fear....again...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Why does the NDP always throw up knee-jerked road blocks? They certainly know how to tug at people's patriotism when it comes to 'protecting Canada' from the evils of the world. North America is going to enhance its own trading block to be able to compete better in larger global markets when it comes to facing the EU / India and Chinas of the world. Increasing trade (especially our immediate neighbors) is not a bad thing. What exactly do they hope to accomplish other than creating oversite committees against committees already in place, confusing the public and more importantly, seizing the opportunity for themselves to look like the people's knight in shining armour? How exactly is this a, "Profound consequences on Canada’s existence as a sovereign nation" when we ALREADY have trade agreements such as NAFTA in place?? This is nothing more than the NDP drumming up the public's fear....again...

So how exactly is thia all going to benefit an AVERAGE Canadian citizen? Is it because more jobs will move to Mexico? Or is it because we will have less control over our own resources/lives? Is it because giant corporations can make bigger profits?

EDIT: Canada has all the resources that it will ever need. It should be US, Mexico that be our economic subsidiaries. Only because we have such a small population are we manipulated into being THEIR subordinates. Its primarily the US oligarchs that are going to win in this new deal. They are going to have an easier control over our resources, over our government, over what decisions we can make for ourselves and the world. We will no longer be Canada as we know. We will do as we are told by the bosses in Washington D.C.

Canada has 31+ million people. How much say are we going to have in this new bloody Union? How many more times are we going to be sidestepped and blackmailed like the famous lumber dispute? Seriously, the American proxies have already seized control over our Canada.

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Last edited by Magnetonium on Jul-11-2007 at 20:13

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So how exactly is thia all going to benefit an AVERAGE Canadian citizen? Is it because more jobs will move to Mexico? Or is it because we will have less control over our own resources/lives? Is it because giant corporations can make bigger profits?

/hippy bullshit


the real reason i think its a bad idea is we have already witnessed first hand how the US honors trade agreements.... ahem..*softwoodlumber*

or artificially lowering bulk commodity pricing on grains by subsidising their agricultural sectors.... which hurt the western grain farmers alot... or the BS mad cow trade ban which lasted way longer than it needed too. for those reasons i dont want to get into any more trade agreements with the US

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp /hippy bullshit the real reason i think its a bad idea is we have already witnessed first hand how the US honors trade agreements.... ahem..*softwoodlumber* or artificially lowering bulk commodity pricing on grains by subsidising their agricultural sectors.... which hurt the western grain farmers alot... or the BS mad cow trade ban which lasted way longer than it needed too. for those reasons i dont want to get into any more trade agreements with the US

Hippy bullshit? Thats all you can say, because you cant just bring up the facts to prove otherwise. NAFTA was a failure since Day 1. It has not benefited Canada, but benefited US by a landslide and yes they do break their own laws and noone can stop them. And yes, f*ck the Union and the other plans they have, I dont trust US government and their corporations. Scrap NAFTA.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium So how exactly is thia all going to benefit an AVERAGE Canadian citizen? Is it because more jobs will move to Mexico? Or is it because we will have less control over our own resources/lives? Is it because giant corporations can make bigger profits?

Maybe you can explain how, by NOT reducing unneeded corporate red tape that it doesn't?
You're assuming the corporate entities will be keeping this all to themselves.
In reality, a propering company creates jobs as well as increasing thier bottom line; everyone wins.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Maybe you can explain how, by NOT reducing unneeded corporate red tape that it doesn't? You're assuming the corporate entities will be keeping this all to themselves. In reality, a propering company creates jobs as well as increasing thier bottom line; everyone wins.

We already have our companies. We can make more jobs for ourselves. We already do trade with USA. Good enough. American companies are stealing too much of our money as it is by infiltrating our economy and making profits here in Canada and taking them to the States. With borders loose, its only going to get looser.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium We already have our companies. We can make more jobs for ourselves. We already do trade with USA. Good enough. American companies are stealing too much of our money as it is by infiltrating our economy and making profits here in Canada and taking them to the States. With borders loose, its only going to get looser.

That's an assumption you can't prove and that works both ways btw; think RIM.
Sure the market becomes more competitive but that's the whole point.
Canada is way too cumbersome when trying to conduct business which is why we have such a problem when trying to compete with anything outside our own borders.
America however is geared toward business so they inherantly already have an advantage; this 'knocking down of the coroporate walls' will only help us in the long run.
It's a falicty to believe that by keeping these walls up that we'll be helping ourselves when we're already at a disadvantage anyways.
If businesses can't compete in Canada they will go somewhere where they can. This is ALREADY HAPPENING so how ludicrious is it to keep status quo??

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r That's an assumption you can't prove and that works both ways btw; think RIM. Sure the market becomes more competitive but that's the whole point. Canada is way too cumbersome when trying to conduct business which is why we have such a problem when trying to compete with anything outside our own borders. America however is geared toward business so they inherantly already have an advantage; this 'knocking down of the coroporate walls' will only help us in the long run. It's a falicty to believe that by keeping these walls up that we'll be helping ourselves when we're already at a disadvantage anyways. If businesses can't compete in Canada they will go somewhere where they can. This is ALREADY HAPPENING so how ludicrious is it to keep status quo??

LOL, can't compete??? Yeah, by moving to Mexico ... thats not being able to compete, thats maximizing their profits by moving their business. If they can't compete, they go out of business. If they can, they find better business practises. If they move abroad, they mant to make bigger profits. Just ask any Canadian doctor who moved to the States to work there his reasons for doing so ... Companies will always strive to make the biggest profit under the least costs and knocking down these walls will make Canada even more vulnerable. Mexico is the big winner here. You dont just think Canadians will want to get paid less to keep their jobs, do you?

Canada doesnt have a problem with business moving abroad - in most cases it doesnt actually GO AWAY, like Tim Hortons tried, it just opens venues elsewhere for bigger profits. Not to make Canadian economy better, not at all. In cases like this, its US and Mexico who are going to be big winners.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium LOL, can't compete??? Yeah, by moving to Mexico ... thats not being able to compete, thats maximizing their profits by moving their business. If they can't compete, they go out of business. If they can, they find better business practises. If they move abroad, they mant to make bigger profits. Just ask any Canadian doctor who moved to the States to work there his reasons for doing so ... Companies will always strive to make the biggest profit under the least costs and knocking down these walls will make Canada even more vulnerable. Mexico is the big winner here. You dont just think Canadians will want to get paid less to keep their jobs, do you?

People cried about this when NAFTA came too.
Don't know about you, but I'm still employed and RIM has since expanded into the States...

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Canada doesnt have a problem with business moving abroad - in most cases it doesnt actually GO AWAY, like Tim Hortons tried, it just opens venues elsewhere for bigger profits. Not to make Canadian economy better, not at all. In cases like this, its US and Mexico who are going to be big winners.

Unless you got some stats to back that up, this is still opinion.

btw, there is nothing wrong with corporations making an actual profit...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r People cried about this when NAFTA came too. Don't know about you, but I'm still employed and RIM has since expanded into the States... Unless you got some stats to back that up, this is still opinion. btw, there is nothing wrong with corporations making an actual profit...

Actual Canadian people and Canada have nothing to gain from this Union thing, thats my point. Nothing wrong with corporations wanting to have easier access and more profits, but thats not a reason to sacrifice Canada and control over our own resources and policies. Benefits are little of any.

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