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bokus
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35rpm vs 45

Will there be just some songs where 35 and 45 wont match at all? Because ive been trying to match these 2 different rpm vinyl and its just not working.

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raaven
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i've never had a problem when mixing from a 33 to 45.

a tune pressed on a 33 disc is still the same bpm if it's pressed on a 45 disc.

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i assume you mean 33 and 45? this has no effect on beatmatching. all it has to do with is how the song is recorded. 33 = 33 revolutions per minute, and 45 is 45 RPM.

not related to beatmatching at all.


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sleepydragon
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the rpm that a record plays at is not relavant its just what the tune was recorded at the bpm has got nothing to do with the rpm


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auujay
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What has been posted already is true.

One thing I noticed early on when DJing was that it can sometimes be hard going from 33 to 45 (or vice versa) if you forget the different forces involved. What I mean is, if you have a TT with decent torque, slowing down a record at 45 takes more force than one at 33.

So say you just mixed in a record at 45 and have got used to how much force is needed to drag on the platter to slow it. When you switch to the next record which is at 33 and you use that same force you will be slowing it down a lot more.

The difference quickly becomes second nature as I only had that issue very early on. If anything this might be another reason to use the "pitch slide/ride" technique.


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DannyO
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After awhile though you get used to the slight different in pitchbending at 33 or 45, I don't notice any difference when speedin or slowin the 2 different speeds, I don't think I ever noticed a difference actually.

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quote:
Originally posted by auujay
What has been posted already is true.

One thing I noticed early on when DJing was that it can sometimes be hard going from 33 to 45 (or vice versa) if you forget the different forces involved. What I mean is, if you have a TT with decent torque, slowing down a record at 45 takes more force than one at 33.

So say you just mixed in a record at 45 and have got used to how much force is needed to drag on the platter to slow it. When you switch to the next record which is at 33 and you use that same force you will be slowing it down a lot more.

The difference quickly becomes second nature as I only had that issue very early on. If anything this might be another reason to use the "pitch slide/ride" technique.


i don't think it even makes a difference. different records are different weights & thicknesses blah blah..

if you find there is a difference that affects you, get new (good) slipmats


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Vero
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yes it is possible that you have two records at different RPM that dont match. but the fact that they wont match up has nothing to do with the RPM difference. you can have two 45 tracks that dont match up if the BPMs are that far off from each other.

example: with pitch set at 0. your 33RPM track is much slower than the 45RPM. so you pitch up the 33 RPM as far as your turntable will go and its still too slow. ok so you start dropping the pitch on the 45 track untill its as slow as possible on your deck. and the 33 is still too slow. this is an example of two tracks that cannot be mixed.

if the BPMs are that far off you shouldnt be mixing them anyways. this little scenario would be just the same using two 33 RPM tracks or two 45s. RPMs do not correlate with BPMs

i hope that helped

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Gunyouken
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Maybe you forget to change the TT speed from 45 to 33 or vice versa? and you are trying to match a 33 record playing at 45 rpm.


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D Dubya
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I have noticed this "phenomenon" before, but I think it is completely a mental thing. I thought I did read somewhere though that pitch accuracy either diminishes or increases (I can't remember which) at 45 vs 33 and this might be what's throwing you a curveball. I honestly don't know though and wouldn't be able to quote the source.


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Originally posted by Vero
yes it is possible that you have two records at different RPM that dont match. but the fact that they wont match up has nothing to do with the RPM difference. you can have two 45 tracks that dont match up if the BPMs are that far off from each other.

example: with pitch set at 0. your 33RPM track is much slower than the 45RPM. so you pitch up the 33 RPM as far as your turntable will go and its still too slow. ok so you start dropping the pitch on the 45 track untill its as slow as possible on your deck. and the 33 is still too slow. this is an example of two tracks that cannot be mixed.



unless you have good turntables, like vestax

never say never


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