what do you think of the Technics RP-DJ 1200 as a DJ headphone?
Is it better or worse than the Sony's/Pioneers?

yo dono bout u but i have a pair of mdr v700 and i'm pretty satisfied...
dosent soud THAT bad...
i havent tried somthing else (at that level) so i cant say if somthing is better or worse...

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He's saying he disagrees, strongly, with the "DJ Sound" you all seem to like. Most DJ headphones have this type of sound, this boomy midbass and no deep extension and no detail in a lot of other parts of the sound, etc. etc. However, not all of them have this type of sound. Some IXOS cans, for example, are made for DJs and supposedly sound different than anything. For the "DJ" camp of DJ headphones, listen to stuff from Technics, IXOS, Pioneer, Sony (which you have all already heard) and Stanton. For the "Audiophile" or "Recording Enineer" camp of DJ headphones, listen to stuff by Beyerdynamic (DT250-80), Sony (MDRV6 and 7506), and Sennheiser (HD25). Also, some of the professional stuff by AKG and Beyerdynamic could be used in DJ applications too. HOWEVER, if you look closely, at the Sony MDR-V6, for example, it has *all* of the features that you DJ's need, just like many headphones that are actively marketed at you all--except for the fact that it sounds better, and is more versatile and cheaper. And, if you look even harder, at, say, the Sennheiser HD25, that audiophile headphone is actually marketed at you all as well--and I know from past posts that many of you do think it is the best thing since sliced bread.

I'd actually say that the (Sony) V700DJ's (the one I had listened to recently, as opposed to most samples of that model) have "overtight" bass; that is, there is a sharp response peak in a small portion of the mid-bass while the rest of the bass range is flat or even a bit recessed. Most so-called "DJ" headphones are like that. Even so, they're hardly accurate in the bass.

As for "boomy" bass, that's EXACTLY what I'd describe my Koss UR-30's! The ENTIRE bass/lower-mid range is over-boosted, with reeeeeeally recessed upper mids! Blech.

So both bass-boost extremes are not so good, after all.

Also, there are two other examples of bad sound, as well:

One is the muddy, lifeless sound with very little bass or treble, as typified by the Sony MDR-V600's and many very cheap closed headphones. The other example of bad sound is the overly bright, screechy sound typical of most of the Sony Street Style's and some of the headphones packaged with portable audio crap.

Last edited by ShadySlim on Oct-15-2001 at 15:53

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Originally posted by Dj-2TaLL yo dono bout u but i have a pair of mdr v700 and i'm pretty satisfied... dosent soud THAT bad... i havent tried somthing else (at that level) so i cant say if somthing is better or worse...

I'm not really a avid DJ, so I can only give a general opinion of most so-called "DJ" headphones as music-listening headphones.

Haven't you realized? people here have stopped caring. They don't care about theory. If someone here asks, what headphones should I get, you answer that question and why to them, but no one's hearing our preaching man. So why bother? If you're just doing this to rant and blow off steam, fine, but even *I* have stopped reading what you said.

I CARE! And If I can find the 7506 or V6 not v600 then ill buy em!

Youve convinced me!

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yo...
got a bit carried away...
sorry to mislead you but i have v500s...

that dosn't change my satisfaction though...

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By the way, guess what? I went to Best Buy today, and you know what? Next to the Sony MDR-V600'and the Sony MDR-V700DJ's, guess what I found. A whoooooole lot of Koss UR-20's. The UR-20's cost $35, the V600's $100, and the V700's $140. Now, if only we can get Joe Schmoe to realize that the UR-20's sound about the same as the other two...

Dj-2TaLL, I said I didn't care much for the Sony MDR-V500DJ's. Sure, they have some bass - but that bass doesn't go deep at all. That particular model has almost no response below 60Hz. And they're not as sensitive as Sony's 104dB/mW rating would indicate. In fact, I had to turn up the volume of my audio equipment to just about as high of a setting as I would most el-cheapo Walkman headphones in order to hear much sound. And even the Sony MDR-V700DJ's barely reached 20Hz, which the Sony MDR-V6's reproduced with ease.

Gluegun, all of the posts in this thread that I had created are based on what I *actually* heard from those Sony DJ cans. (Well, I almost contradicted myself by saying "boomy" in one post regarding the V700DJ's and "overtight" in another.) My second post in this thread clears things up. And when I said the V700DJ's have "overtight" bass, I REALLY mean that the V700DJ's have a very sharp response peak centered around 80Hz - and that peak is almost high enough to f**k up the frequencies near that resonant frequency. IMHO, "overtight" bass is almost as detrimental to accuracy as "boomy" bass.

Last edited by ShadySlim on Oct-16-2001 at 02:27

Ok, let me just ask this question because I'm a little confused here.

Isn't the point of DJ cans to be used by DJs? And aren't DJs using them for beatmatching, and not plain listening? So who gives a damn if they sound good or not for listening? The point is that they don't really NEED to sound good - all you really need to be able to hear is the beat so that you can get a good match going.

Can someone please explain?

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