wow sweet.

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I just got a Behringer DX1000 not too long ago and I'm real impressed with their products. Excellent quality mixers for the price, so I bet these headphones won't be a waste of money either.

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Originally posted by shompton I just got a Behringer DX1000 not too long ago and I'm real impressed with their products. Excellent quality mixers for the price, so I bet these headphones won't be a waste of money either.

Yup, I bought the VMX200 mixer, and for the brief time I've had it so far, been very impressed. Very solid mixer for only $250, hard to go wrong.

I'm checking on the availability of the headphones, and will order one in as soon as they are shipping. Irony of this is that the Sony and Behringer headphones probably cost a very similar amount of money to manufacture.

Btw, checked specs, and Behring is 20Hz to 20KHz, Sony 700DJ is 5Hz to 30Khz.

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Originally posted by DJ Kibon Yup, I bought the VMX200 mixer, and for the brief time I've had it so far, been very impressed. Very solid mixer for only $250, hard to go wrong.

Same here, I'm quite impressed by it.

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Btw, checked specs, and Behring is 20Hz to 20KHz, Sony 700DJ is 5Hz to 30Khz.

The Sony's will not go that low or high, besides, your ears could never tell anyways. Plus, it depends on the mixer and source of the music as well. For $35 I would not expect something as 'good' as the Sony 700DJ, but I do have faith in Behringer. Let us know how these headphones sound when you've got them.

Wow. Those Behringers look very sexy! I'm not surprised about the price - but I'm very happy! Even if they're mediocre, $35 is too low to be considered a waste of money - they look like they should be more than $35 (and CAD too!).

They look like they would isolate well, judging from the pads. Hm, I'm getting more excited the more I look at them, for some reason. Gluegun should see these!

I really like the motif on the cups. DJ Kibon, thanks for the post! I'm definitely looking forward to your review of these babies.

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Originally posted by El~ZaPo For $35 I would not expect something as 'good' as the Sony 700DJ, but I do have faith in Behringer. Let us know how these headphones sound when you've got them.

Well, the V700's are way overpriced, so I'd say they're realistically a $50 CAD headphone. Certainly not worth $200+.

EDIT: On second thought, at $35 CAD, I'm wondering how good can these actually be... I mean, the aphorism "you get what you pay for" rarely fails...

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By the way, DJ Kibon, you mentioned that it's hard to tell if they swivel. Take a look, hope this makes the swivel joints clearer:



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The description of these phones, taken from the Behringer site:

"The HPX2000 high-definition DJ headphones are high-quality DJ headphones for demanding users in home and live applications. Their superb frequency response, high-efficiency cobalt capsule and single-sided oxygen-free copper cord promise uncompromising performance. You get high-definition bass and super-transparent highs, and ultra-high dynamic range. There are flexible turnable and foldable round-shaped ear cups with ultra-rugged headband construction."

I wonder how much of that is marketing mumbo jumbo.

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Yep, that's what I was figuring as well for the swivel joints, just would be nice if they had a pic up.

We'll see how they are, just not sure how long it will take for me to get my hands on them. Hopefully not as long as my Behringer mixer, which took about 4 weeks due to a little store screwup.

Key point on this is that they may well be the choice for entry level phones. For example, I'm starting out with a dirt-cheap pair of Sonys, the MDRV150 model. They were $30, and look nowhere near as good as the Behringer does, for a price difference of $5.

The Behringer is clearly a dead ringer for the 700DJ and Pioneer phones, at a fraction of the price. We'll see how the sound quality is, though I'm betting it will have an awesome price/quality ratio.

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thats like 75% or more marketing mumbo-jumbo. but then again, statistics can be made to prove anything. almost 70% of people know that!

wow. thats $25 us!!!!! they will even be cheaper than the $30 AIWA headphones i am using now. (they arent THAT cheap, they still have the closed ear-cups and were designed for monitoring. they get the job done) why are most of the "DJ" headphones around $100? i dont care what specifications you show me, that is way overpriced!

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Originally posted by Acid John thats like 75% or more marketing mumbo-jumbo. but then again, statistics can be made to prove anything. almost 70% of people know that! wow. thats $25 us!!!!! they will even be cheaper than the $30 AIWA headphones i am using now. (they arent THAT cheap, they still have the closed ear-cups and were designed for monitoring. they get the job done) why are most of the "DJ" headphones around $100? i dont care what specifications you show me, that is way overpriced!

Well, here's the opinion of a busines student (I'm working on my commerce degree right now).

A company like Sony produces a range of headphone models for a variety of reasons. The very bottom end of the lineup is likely very low margin, and partly serves just to get people into the store (similar for example to their bottom of the line CD Walkman). Once they're in the store, Joe Salesdude upsells them to more expensive models by trying to show just how much better they are. It also depends how much R&D is put into a product, which is likely higher for the top of the line products.

The rest, unfortunately, breaks down to essentially milking the consumer. Sony knows that "x" number of people will likely purchase their uber-dooper, premium headphone, whether it's because they see it splashed all over advertisements (e.g. current Benson & Hedges Gold Club Series ads), or because they see others using the same gear.

Also, consumers often equate price with quality, so you can partially look at it as if you priced Technics at $3000 per table, people would think, "gee, those things must be pretty damn good". Conversely, if you priced Technics at $300 per table (not sure how practical this would be after actually get my hands on them, and seeing the build quality), they could potentially lose their reputation for being "the" turntable to buy.

Hope this makes some sense.

P.S. Saw that Gold Club Series ad last night at a local club (Ironhorse), and thought it was pretty funny. The "DJ" chick is laying across the mixer, and the dude on the left has his hands all over the vinyl, and appears to have pushed it right off the spindle. I would probably deck the dude that did that to my vinyl.

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Originally posted by Acid John thats like 75% or more marketing mumbo-jumbo. but then again, statistics can be made to prove anything. almost 70% of people know that!

HAHAHA!!!

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Originally posted by DJ Kibon Well, here's the opinion of a busines student (I'm working on my commerce degree right now). A company like Sony produces a range of headphone models for a variety of reasons. The very bottom end of the lineup is likely very low margin, and partly serves just to get people into the store (similar for example to their bottom of the line CD Walkman). Once they're in the store, Joe Salesdude upsells them to more expensive models by trying to show just how much better they are. It also depends how much R&D is put into a product, which is likely higher for the top of the line products. The rest, unfortunately, breaks down to essentially milking the consumer. Sony knows that "x" number of people will likely purchase their uber-dooper, premium headphone, whether it's because they see it splashed all over advertisements (e.g. current Benson & Hedges Gold Club Series ads), or because they see others using the same gear. Also, consumers often equate price with quality, so you can partially look at it as if you priced Technics at $3000 per table, people would think, "gee, those things must be pretty damn good". Conversely, if you priced Technics at $300 per table (not sure how practical this would be after actually get my hands on them, and seeing the build quality), they could potentially lose their reputation for being "the" turntable to buy. Hope this makes some sense.

That makes perfect sense, didn't quite realize the "make you go into the store" entry-level products idea myself.

A different take on this is in terms of Sony portable minidisc recorders. They have 3 main models here in Canada, each priced way differently ($230, $400, and $600), yet having marginally better features from one to the other. The lower-end and the mid-range models have, in fact, the exact same lower half! They probably share most of the internal circuitry.

To prove this, I have a mz-n505 ("lower end"), that's been "hacked" (using a guide from the minidisc T forums), so that the software features of the N1 (top end model) are unlocked. I.e. pseudo line-out, speed adjustment, etc etc.

This shows that the software is essentially the same in all three models. Sony just makes them look differently, and hype up various little tiny improvements from one model to the next, so that if you're in the "entry zone" you'll get the 505, and if you have cash to burn, you're pretty much forced (subconsciously) to get the expensive model. Whereas in fact the lower end model has most of the functionality of the $600 one, at one third the price.

That's Sony for ya. But they're not the only one to use these tactics, for sure. I mean, huge business empires have to make money one way or the other!

haha... 25 $ is great considering that i've seen neckphones more expensive than those

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