S5000.

This is coming from someone who owns two cdj800s.

I mean god, the s5000 is like two cdjs in one. It has better pitch accuracy, 2 samplers, two hot cues. Mirror mix, alpha track and all that other great stuff.

The cdj800 is a solid simple cdj, but it doesnt compete with an s5000.

I would buy two CDJ800 instead of one DN-S5000 for the same price

god I feel like peopel ask these questions every week. Anyway, I currently own a CDJ 1000 and an 800, and I used to own a dn5000, as well as an s3000 at one point. The Pioneers are better cd de3cks IMO. Peopel, were all on Denon's dick when they came ouit because they had that cool new spinning platter...which is a joke if you ask me. Totally useless....I think its more of an annoyance than a useful feature. Also the whole mirror mix that someone mentioned, as well as teh alpha track are gimmicks...completely udeless. But they do have slightly more accuracte pitch resolution, and that is extremely important to me. But I prefer the Pioneers hands down.

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Originally posted by zizack god I feel like peopel ask these questions every week. Anyway, I currently own a CDJ 1000 and an 800, and I used to own a dn5000, as well as an s3000 at one point. The Pioneers are better cd de3cks IMO. Peopel, were all on Denon's dick when they came ouit because they had that cool new spinning platter...which is a joke if you ask me. Totally useless....I think its more of an annoyance than a useful feature. Also the whole mirror mix that someone mentioned, as well as teh alpha track are gimmicks...completely udeless. But they do have slightly more accuracte pitch resolution, and that is extremely important to me. But I prefer the Pioneers hands down.

Agreed...

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Originally posted by zizack god I feel like peopel ask these questions every week. Anyway, I currently own a CDJ 1000 and an 800, and I used to own a dn5000, as well as an s3000 at one point. The Pioneers are better cd de3cks IMO. Peopel, were all on Denon's dick when they came ouit because they had that cool new spinning platter...which is a joke if you ask me. Totally useless....I think its more of an annoyance than a useful feature. Also the whole mirror mix that someone mentioned, as well as teh alpha track are gimmicks...completely udeless. But they do have slightly more accuracte pitch resolution, and that is extremely important to me. But I prefer the Pioneers hands down.

+1

The Denons have a lot of features, but for the most part they are very gimmicky. In a side-by-side comparison, the features of the Denon may look superior, but the Pioneer has it beat in quality, usability and fun. Get the Pioneers.

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Well, If you just want to play records the 800 would be best of course. I mean I love my 800s, but I can't say they match the creativity of the 5000, and as far as I know creativity is something that is highly valued in this genre of music.

The creative values of the 5000 worked for jonathan lisle at least:

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OS_02 is mixed live using 5 CD channels (using 3 Denon DNS-5000s via their Alpha channels), FX and a Korg Z1 synthesiser. The tracks have been de-constructed and loops re-created using different elements of each track, then mixed live. Or to put it another way you might hear a drum loop mixed over track 3 which consists of a snare from track 5 and a kick from track 7!

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"I am really happy with how it has turned out. It was quite complicated to mix live because I'm using 5 CD channels (the new Denon DNS 5000's allow you to play 2 tracks off the same Cd, so I had 3 of them on the go). I also had an effects unit and a synth all synced up via midi using the Allen & Heath Xone 92, so technically its as complex as it is musically. I also deconstructed most of the tracks and created new loops out of the elements and mixed them up to try and create one 80 minute piece. So for example over track 2 there is a drum beat mixed over which consists of the snare from track 7 and the kick from track 8. In the end it all came together and I'm now really excited about this" - Jonathan Lisle

Source http://www.progressive-sounds.com/f...edrock-OS02.asp

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Well, If you just want to play records the 800 would be best of course. I mean I love my 800s, but I can't say they match the creativity of the 5000, and as far as I know creativity is something that is highly valued in this genre of music. The creative values of the 5000 worked for jonathan lisle at least: Source http://www.progressive-sounds.com/f...edrock-OS02.asp

We're talking about someone who's getting started in DJing. I doubt any of us, even the most experienced can match the skill required to do such a thing.

Sure Jonathan Lisle can do some crazy stuff with the Denons, but that's no reason for this kid to get them. Besides, I can counter your argument simply with the name "James Zabelia".

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Originally posted by zoomzoom We're talking about someone who's getting started in DJing. I doubt any of us, even the most experienced can match the skill required to do such a thing.

Thats right, thats why I said the 800 is best if all youre worried about is playing records.

I bought the 800s. Why? Because they are inexpensive, and simple to learn on.

As far as the james zabiela thing goes. James Zabiela is james zabiela. He has already exploited pioneer gear and essentially thats what got him ahead. The little tricks he does are not that much, but they are what made him unique.

Thats why I stress doing something new is so important. Sure go out and buy everything james uses, and use it like james. Its not going to get you anywhere, because James has gotten there before you.

The 5000 on the other hand does things the pioneer can not. That means, you would be able to do things all of the zabiela kids can not. This means you are valuable, you have something to offer, rather than doing what someone else has already gotten famous doing.

This all said I prefer the pioneers over the denons. Why? Because I'm just not that person. The person who will do new things. I'm just a generic bedroom dj, I can hardly think for myself.

I was using Zabelia as a point to counter your point about Lisle. My point was that one can be creative with whatever equipment they use. Don't go out and buy equipment based on what Zabelia or Lisle do, buy it based on what you want.

That being said, I think the main difference between the Denons and the Pioneers is that of quality vs. features. I've used both decks and I strongly prefer the pioneers because they do what they're supposed to better. Sure A-track is a nice feature, but I think that my two CDJs and my turntable are enough to do what I want (I don't need to have four sources). The spinning platter on the Denon is just a joke, and the scratch emulation sounds off. The Pioneers have a solid loop function, just like the Denons. The Pioneers have reverse-play, just like the Denons.

If it was an easy decision we wouldn't be having this conversation. But in my experience and opinion, the added features of the Denon do not adequately compensate for the higher quality of the Pioneers.

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Originally posted by zoomzoom The spinning platter on the Denon is just a joke, and the scratch emulation sounds off. The Pioneers have a solid loop function, just like the Denons. The Pioneers have reverse-play, just like the Denons.

Just for the record.

I liked the spinning platter when I was scratching, or cueing up. During mix, I would usually turn it off (simple push of a button) when its like this you can bend with the outside of the platter like you can on the pioneer. Although I must say pitch bend buttons own any sort of platter bending any day.

And as far as the loops go the pioneer looping function is a little easier. But the denon being able to make 4 loops makes up for that.

For reverse-play, the denon has "dump" as well which is like...going in reverse, but forward. Beleive it or not this is amazingly useful.

A-B splice lets you edit out parts of a track easily.

The 2 15 second samplers are great. I mainly used them for scratching. So you could have one cd playing, cue up another with alpha track, and have those samples for scratching. I miss these most, because now with two pioneers, I have to have a scratch cd in the other player, but then if I want to scratch near the last minute of the playing track I cant, because I have to cue up on the table that I would use for scratching.

Having 4 hot starts rather than 3 on a 1000, or 0 on an 800 was nice too.

For alot of people this is all useless gimmicky junk though...but I mean, just because you dont need it doesnt make it useless.

As far as build quality goes, I think they are both fairly equal. I mean if anything, the denon has a metal body, rather than plastic. The pioneer drives are better than the denon drives though. Thats for damn sure. You have to use fair quality cds in the denons. My pio800s will take any pos cdr I feed it...but I generally use Verbatims anyways...

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Originally posted by beats and beeps Just for the record. I liked the spinning platter when I was scratching, or cueing up. During mix, I would usually turn it off (simple push of a button) when its like this you can bend with the outside of the platter like you can on the pioneer. Although I must say pitch bend buttons own any sort of platter bending any day. And as far as the loops go the pioneer looping function is a little easier. But the denon being able to make 4 loops makes up for that. For reverse-play, the denon has "dump" as well which is like...going in reverse, but forward. Beleive it or not this is amazingly useful. A-B splice lets you edit out parts of a track easily. The 2 15 second samplers are great. I mainly used them for scratching. So you could have one cd playing, cue up another with alpha track, and have those samples for scratching. I miss these most, because now with two pioneers, I have to have a scratch cd in the other player, but then if I want to scratch near the last minute of the playing track I cant, because I have to cue up on the table that I would use for scratching. Having 4 hot starts rather than 3 on a 1000, or 0 on an 800 was nice too. For alot of people this is all useless gimmicky junk though...but I mean, just because you dont need it doesnt make it useless.

For me and the music I mix (trance, duh), most of these features are unecessary (I do love the "dump" though). However, were I a turntablist or were I to mix hip-hop more than I do, I think I would prefer the Denons.

As far as electronic music, the Pioneers easily win IMO (and I assume this being a trance forum, people mostly mix trance). With the sampling features and the hotcues, the Denons win hands-down when it comes to turntablism.

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