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brainfried
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This morning Bush said to the world, "Syria has chemical weapons". UK Foreign Minister Jack Straw says, "We are not sure if Syria has chemical weapons."

So the basic story is prepare yourselves for a US invasion of Syria which may or may not be backed by the UK. This just goes to show that the administrations foreign policy. I find this especially worrying as my older brother heads to marine bootcamp on the 23rd of april i thought he had missed all the fighting

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malek
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Syria HAS chimical and biological weapons this is no news!!!!

When your neighbour has the same plus nuclear, you try to balance the odds with the means you have at your disposal.


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Got a point there Malek. I personally don't support agfression against Syria unless there is firm evidence of their government guilty of what the US really accuse them for, that being the aiding the Iraqui regime by supplying them with equipment in the war against the US (The US government accused the Syrians of delivering night-vision gogles through the Syrian-Iraqui border during the war) and hiding Iraqui refugees within it's confines... I personally think that for the moment the US should not attack because:
A. Iraqui refugees SHOULD be hosted in Syria if they do not want to return to Iraq, as long as they aren't ex-soldiers of the regime;
B. The suppliment of war tools to Iraq might very well have come from Syria, but was not supported by their government unless solid eevidence will suggest otherwise.


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malek
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those equipments were russian made and were smuggled (like so many things) thru Syria, maybe from Turkey or Lebanon (I am making an hypothesis here). the US were holding the iraqi-syrian border and are also risponsible at what gets in and out of Iraq.

Also just before the war, the Bush administration clearly stated that they don't really care if Saddam leaves Iraq for somewhere else, as long as he leaves Iraq and let the country be free.

Now that the war is over, and MAYBE Saddam (if not dead) is in Syria, why does the Bush administration changes its mind about letting Saddam go to exile?

and about the Syrian mercenaries... this IS utter bullshit. There was people wanting to fight americans from almost every arabic country. Those aren't merceneries by definition but normal people who decided to help Iraqis in their resistence.


all in all, the US administration are trying to pull the same stunt against Syria but now their evidences is really really weak even the British don't want to attack Syria.


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Re: If you believe Baathists escaping unnoticed to Syria, you'll believe anything

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If the American border patrols were that ineffective, then it would be a piece of cake to infiltrate the US from Mexico or Canada.


It is.

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vesa has a good point, but i dont think they even had to let them all escape to syria...its entirely possible that they're making it all up (the allegations that they're harboring ex-baathists)...i mean they made up the allegations of WMDs in iraq and went to war, and they still havent found any WMDs there, so they could be doing the same for syria, except instead of WMDs they're accusing them of helping ex-baathists...because it sounds like a reasonable allegation lol

anyway, i've been reading on a site or two that the top echelon of the republican guard was completely bought out (ie, bribed) by the US, hence the almost complete lack of significant resistance by the RG as they approached baghdad...the capture of saddam international airport mite've been important so they could all be flown out...of course we'll never know the whole story, i dont think there's a way to really verify it's authenticity....

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The US doesn't have border patrols in Iraq at least not during the war. And in any event, how could the US have mobilized a border patrol to man a border that's the entire lenght of western Iraq in a few days. If you look at the troop positions the US only had troops in the North and the South of Iraq. The troops had bigger and better things to worry about such as FIGHTING A WAR. Truth be told we don't have any idea of what kind of exodus this was like ... I doubt it was one happy picnic convoy of all the Baathists travelling to syria at the same time. We're talking about 55 men in a hostile country where its difficult telling oridinary citizens from high level officials. I'm sure the CIA and intelligences services would be flattered that you think that the US has satellites fixed at geosynchronous orbits over Iraq and that we have spy planes flying 24/7 with the capability to distinguish who's who at a moments notice.

Additionally take into account it takes only several hours to drive into Syria as opposed to the amount of time it takes to gather this intelligence, make conclusions as a result of this intelligence, and then actually act on that intelligence. We didn't know they would flee as quickly as they did ... we were all waiting for a prolonged "siege" of Baghdad. Everbody, even the Americans were surprised at how little resistance was put up and how quickly the regime crumbled.

Once again it's easy to secondguess, critisize, and place suspicion on events AFTER they transpire. Remember all the 9/11 details that the US and the CIA SHOULD have picked up on? It was SO obvious in RETROSPECT that it must have been an intelligence operation by the CIA .

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Great new avatar, occrider


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Great new avatar, occrider


Thanks. Following in Dave Saenz's footsteps and posting my heros in my avatar ... I think I'm gonna start photoshopping other pics and use a different pic of sahaf every month

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Thanks. Following in Dave Saenz's footsteps and posting my heros in my avatar ... I think I'm gonna start photoshopping other pics and use a different pic of sahaf every month


LoL that's great. Gotta conmemorate!! sad sad day.


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