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i'm just wondering what are your thoughts on djs using software to edit their mixes

like if you have a bad transition, pick up the needle and try again and then just edit it out later


i for one am for it
when putting together a demo, i think it's best to put all your best mixes on
if they wanted to hear a one-off mix, then they could just see you live

what are your thoughts?
and please try to keep the discussion civil

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i dont know i think that mixes should be done "live" , i mean how bad your transition can be ?

if you edit it, it will lose its energy , well at least to yourself.

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It doesn't bother me, like for a promo mix I think the track selection and presentation is more important than the mixing. I wouldn't mind messing with that type of editing but I'd have no idea where to start.

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I agree with both sides of the argument here

Personally I really hate listening to a mix I've done, and thinking it's really good, except for one or two mixes. Therefore I always redo the "bad" mixes until I am happy with them. At the end it results in a CD (I always do CDs not tapes) I like.

However, you can often tell if someone's done this too much, (or to the extreme, done the whole mix using software). An over engineered mix loses it's "live" feeling and, although all transitions are dead in time, the mix may be more boring as a result.

Remember: it is the little mistakes and variations that add a human touch to a mix. And a human (at the moment) can always perform a more engaging mix than a computer

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Originally posted by TranceInMySoul I agree with both sides of the argument here Personally I really hate listening to a mix I've done, and thinking it's really good, except for one or two mixes. Therefore I always redo the "bad" mixes until I am happy with them. At the end it results in a CD (I always do CDs not tapes) I like. However, you can often tell if someone's done this too much, (or to the extreme, done the whole mix using software). An over engineered mix loses it's "live" feeling and, although all transitions are dead in time, the mix may be more boring as a result. Remember: it is the little mistakes and variations that add a human touch to a mix. And a human (at the moment) can always perform a more engaging mix than a computer

Couldn't have said it better myself. I personally make mixes so I can throw them on CD and listen to my favorite tracks in the car. If I trainwreck a transition, I'm not gonna want to listen to that over and over again, I'll fix it up. I mix purely for my own gratification and to share it with others.

i agree that humans are flawed by nature
and i only doctor 1 maybe 2 mixes for a cd

i just want to present the best transitions i can do to the promoter
and edited properly, it doesn't lose anything
not even noticable to even me

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what program do you guys use to mix on computer? sound forge??

Well i dont like the idea of it all. It sounds great and all when they use a program to fix the mix but then again it wasnt there skills that did all the mixing.
John 00 Fleming mixed his new cd using software.

I agree in doing mix CD's (compilations) by computer, but not demos. Demos/promos should be a display of your skill level at the turntables, not your ability to push button to correct things after you screw up. Armin and Tiesto do a lot of their compilations without any doctoring.

When you give a producer a perfect demo and then fuck up a lot live, they're not gonna be happy, and they're less likely to trust you in the future.

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I just wanna straighten up any misunderstanding about what we're discussing here.

"Fixing" a mix using software, to me, means re-recording the mix live (i.e. mixing it again on your turntables) and glueing the new mix in place of the old one. So, the mix is still live, just a better take than the original

I personally disagree with using software exclusively for doing mixes. Sure, I've tried it myself, but the result was lifeless. I know a lot of commercial CDs are done that way now, and I will say it makes your life a lot easier if you need to fit lots of tracks on a CD (another thing I disagree with )

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Originally posted by deejay2002 what program do you guys use to mix on computer? sound forge??

if i mix something on my computer i use Cool Edit. thats far better than soundforge.

@topic: hmm, i don't really know. if it's for promotion, why not, but if you really want to have a "live" set, it should stay "live". learning by doing. if you always just edit the bad transition, you won't get any better, because you always think "well i can edit that afterwards"...

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Originally posted by TranceInMySoul I just wanna straighten up any misunderstanding about what we're discussing here. "Fixing" a mix using software, to me, means re-recording the mix live (i.e. mixing it again on your turntables) and glueing the new mix in place of the old one. So, the mix is still live, just a better take than the original I personally disagree with using software exclusively for doing mixes. Sure, I've tried it myself, but the result was lifeless. I know a lot of commercial CDs are done that way now, and I will say it makes your life a lot easier if you need to fit lots of tracks on a CD (another thing I disagree with )

i should have clarified
yes, you're just re-recording a transition you didn't like and pasting it over the transition you didn't like

so it's all live, you just have a "best of" thing going

the only reason i do this is because i play 500 times better live than i do when recording

i have the crowd energy to feed off of and for some reason i play a lot better on a loud system
i've even recored my sets and listened to them afterwards to make sure my theory is true... pretty much every mix is seamless and spotless

it's to the point where i'm thinking of not bothering recording in a studio anymore, just recording my livesets and releasing those

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