Well, I heard this song, Satisfaction by Benny B (Bennassi), and I liked it. It is a simple techno/progressive song, starting to be played on the radio.

Ironically, I liked it so much, that I thought I would try my burgeoning Reason skills and try to get the sounds the song and the notes to match. Well, low and behold, using my knowledge of music from piano 4 years ago, and the samples and things provided in Reason, I was able to get the Subtractor to sound like the song, and I found the right Bass drum and Overhead and clap. Basically, with the exception of the vocals, I could've made this song in its entirety.

I did this same thing with Storm, by Storm, in that I was able to create the sounds in that song using samples and messing around with the synth to get the right notes. It sounded identical.


You know what I learned about this? Well, for one thing, that I have alot to learn, even though is is completely a minor hobby (i.e. if I have a few minutes, I play with Reason). But most importantly, I have come to respect the musicians and artists of electronic music to a much greater degree. Why, you ask, considering I was able to duplicate their work in a matter of minutes? Because, unlike them I could not come up with a good sounding melody that would then go on to sell millions and become anthems.

If you think about it, songs by Storm like Storm, and Time to Burn, are really very simple songs, and are easily recreated, and when you do it, you almost laugh at the simplicity. Yet, they managed to come up with a mix of sounds that could get a club full of people going completely mental. It is even more impressive when simple songs get this reaction, much like this Benny B song, or Funk-a-tron by Robbie Rivera.

I bow down to your melody creating and sound forming skills, electronic music artists (and all musicians in general, I guess).

Last edited by Deam on Jun-18-2003 at 15:24

genious, pure genious..... I agree totally. that's why I continue to strive for my best and newest melody when I produce stuff.

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Thats an interesting thought there mate
Looking at the notes to legendary tracks such as, Rank 1 Airwave, PvD - For an angel & Faithless - Insomnia, they patheticly simple. Yet, at the same time they have the ability to create a reaction in clubs of an epic (no pun intended) scale.
But also if U look at the melodies for Out of the blue, Adagio for strings & Traveller - Bright Sign (Trance Mix) they are anythign but simple yet they work in the same way...
Trance huh ? go figure

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In my opinion you learned the wrong lesson man...

ofcourse we all have to respect the artists that are able to create simple but catchy tunes....while we ussualy cant but if you think about it, the same you can say about the producers of Britney spears... :\.
in my opinion best trance tunes are those who are Very Complex and yet Very fun to listen to. The tuens that you can realy feel how the producers gave their heart & soul () for each and every track.
thats also why its hard for me to respect M.I.K.E's work....
i dont know if thats a good example of tunes to realy RESPECT, but you can take some of Mesh's tunes for example. or check out some psytrance from sub6, violet vision, .....


so in my opinion, if soumoeone can so easily recreate a track it means that the producer of the original track didnt work enough on it. he just created another Hit.
in my opinion, when the oroginal is so complex and good that its hard to reduplicate or create a better remix - then i realy feel like i admire an artist. and thats also how how Classics become Classics

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So what did you use in Reason to get the "Satisfaction" sound???

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could you post some rns or at least rps ? would be awesome how near Reason reconstructions can be at professional release

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Originally posted by Flotser In my opinion you learned the wrong lesson man... ofcourse we all have to respect the artists that are able to create simple but catchy tunes....while we ussualy cant but if you think about it, the same you can say about the producers of Britney spears... :\.

For what it's worth the people who are behind Britney Spears and so forth are in their own right, pretty talented. Just because you don't like the style or ideas (neither do I much) doesn't mean the production team doesn't know their stuff. If they didnt then they wouldnt have the job.

HEy guys,

Well, things have been going well with reason lately. I have been ripping throught hte manual and learnign waht all of the different tools. This program is not so forein anymore and I am beginning to love it.

The only problem is that I have hit a snag that I can't get around. I don't have a MIDI keyboard and I have no idea how to create a melody without one since the manual I bought doesn't explain how to do this. I downloaded a MIDI "software" keyboard but I can't get it to work with reason.

Can you guys help me get around this problem?

I tried posting ont he reasonstation.net forum but I can't seem to post there, their server is down or something.

Can someone give me some quick advice here? I really don't want to get frustrated and such over such a small thing.

Thanks in advance!

~Seany G

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That Benny B tune is amazingly simple, he probly made it in reason too, if not some other software application.

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Originally posted by shannonj For what it's worth the people who are behind Britney Spears and so forth are in their own right, pretty talented. Just because you don't like the style or ideas (neither do I much) doesn't mean the production team doesn't know their stuff. If they didnt then they wouldnt have the job.

I never said i dont respect them, but i said i prefer complex tunes\songs watever, and in my opinion, if something is catchy and makes people dance doesnt mean its good.

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just because something is complex, doesn't make it a good song...
If that's what you prefer, that's fine. But to make something that is so simple and catchy is actually alot harder than making something complex...

When something is complex you can keep adding to it to make it better.
But try to make something simple and good and it is actually alot harder.
Satisfaction is so simple, yet if it was so easy to make, then how come no one else came up with it???

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Originally posted by pumavisor808 Satisfaction is so simple, yet if it was so easy to make, then how come no one else came up with it???

cause if you will go to the university and learn math , than maybe your proffesor will show you that in theory there is a infinite number of melodies and songs that can be created.


i like & love alot of simple songs.
but if the song is complex and full of intersting effects and new sounds it makes me enjoy it 4 times more.
and why?
cause thats how you feel that the producer gave his SOUL to the track. he could havr left it the way it is if its good enough to be pressed on a vynil, but he wnated to do more. complexity plays games with your mind and sometimes makes you feel psychedeliated like Haak's Frenzy track for example

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