so my initial start points for the mix (initial crossfader use) are alright sometimes (what's the technical term?) but occasionally i deal with shaky hand, whatever.
what im thinking is to start the mix in my split monitor 2 or 4 bars before bringing it in, which will ensure perfect beatmatchedness. (hah)
this just means, the added pain of having to cue my 2nd record 2 or 4 bars before the intro i WANT accordingly, and knowing when my 1st record is 2 or 4 bars before when i want to begin mixing.
make sense?
what do you think of this technique, is it useless or not..
the main reason is because i have fucked up slightly vinyls which dont sit exactly flat, so when i nudge it really fucks up. velvet girl, and amphetamine
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Jun-07-2001 20:18
ABTsportsline
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Rural WA, USA
Patticus,
sounds cool, whatever it is. I had trouble understanding what you were talking about. I am one of those DJ's who's been spinning for like 5-6 years, can mix really good, but i never had an instructor, never read about spinning or anything, so i'm not familiar with terms or techniques. obviously i *use* techniques but really am not good at visualizations.
sounds pretty cool though. keep spinnin'
-ABT-
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Jun-07-2001 22:06
DJTJ
linuXaddict
Registered: Jan 2001
Location: Bournemouth, UK when I'm at home, Cardiff, UK when I'm at uni
Since most songs start with a fairly standard 8 bars of bland drum beat, can't you cue it up to the start of this? It's unlikely you'll want this in the mix, and then you have a full 8 bars in your headphones to get the track in the right place before beginning the mix.
Jun-07-2001 22:15
patticus
watch your bassbins
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: vancouver, bc
i made it sound too complicated.
all it is IS, cueing your record early (say, 2 or 4 FOUR-COUNTS or bars before your intro) and throwing it in early in the monitor (headphones), to give you that extra 2 or 4 bars of leeway to make sure its perfect
before bringing the crossfader in.
does that make more sense?
obviously this doesnt go for if you're cueing the 2nd record from the beginning of the track.
just to make one thing clear for everyone, a 4-count (1-2-3-4... 2-2-3-4) = a Bar or Measure.
hopefully that'll help some term-lacking djs out there
hence, your intro and breakdowns are normally 8 bars or 16, etc.
djtj: that's kind of the case, but not if MY desired intro point is further into the track... after the bland beats and initial song intro
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Jun-07-2001 22:15
ABTsportsline
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Rural WA, USA
Ahhhh, i see now, Patticus.
Yeah, sounds like a good idea, but i guess you only need to worry about that if you spin epic or uplifting trance huh? Right now i'm pretty much sticking to Progressive (uh.... sorry, "Techno"), where it is pretty much the same beat with no entre, denoument, or whatever..... so i just kick it in once the beat is matchted baby!
keep spinnin'
-ABT-
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Jun-07-2001 22:29
patticus
watch your bassbins
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: vancouver, bc
no shit eh.. i like progressive too though... id spin it, but probably not seriously as... "epic" because my bank account cant handle the stress
whadaya mean progressive, uh, techno?
one or the other bud
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Jun-07-2001 22:49
ABTsportsline
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Rural WA, USA
What do i mean by Progressive (uh...Techno)?
Well, that was an inside joke that i thought you would get. you have obviously seen all the HUGE debates in the music forum over what it is actually called. I was just humoring this debate. I call it progressive (that is what every major DJ i've met called it, and that is what every CD compilation i've bought called it.)
But all the trance guru's on here call it "techno", and they call progressive: stuff like PvD and Sasha (which i consider trance really). i dunno, Patticus. I think there is no real classification standards. what do you think?
The factory color is called "Futura Yellow",
but i call it "the grey-poupon mobile!"
cheers!
==der ABT==
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Jun-08-2001 05:05
patticus
watch your bassbins
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: vancouver, bc
abt... that's hilarious
yeah i should have picked up on that
they've been calling it tech-trance and stuff... but for sure its progressive. the link between 'real' progressive trance and prog house is very close.. its all good
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Jun-08-2001 07:42
Jocker
whatup homie
Registered: Feb 2001
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
patticus, what you are doing is absolutely right. it's better to doublecheck. moreover, for some tracks with very lengthy drum intros you want to start bringing the new tune in after maybe 2mins of it's playing (progressive house)... so you listen to the track all those two minutes in your headphones. makes a perfect mix, because you can adjust the pitch during that time just perfectly.
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Jun-09-2001 01:55
Johnny Eckhardt
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Los Angeles
Something else you might think about too, is forget the crossfader. Set it in the middle and do your mixing with the individual volume controls. Usually, you'll get a much cleaner mix by bringing up the volume on the song you're going into and when you're about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way bringing the one up...start bringing the other one down....unless you're going to do a long override, in which case you would pretty much just leave the other one up (maybe pull it down a hair). I've seen very few crossfaders that do a clean mix....they tend to drop the volume too much before getting louder again going into the next song. I think you also have much more control the other way. Also, then if you find yourself working with a mixer that doesn't have a crossfader....it won't feel awkward to you.
