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MisterOpus1
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Sharon defying Road Map

This doesn't seem to be going as planned. What's worse, there hasn't been hardly any mention of that huge wall being built in any media sources, yet it's something like 40 km long and deliberately dividing Palestenian farming land and families. How on earth will a U.S.-backed peace plan ever take place, especially if we can't get either side to "play nice"?

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Sharon defies peace plan's ban on settlement construction
By MARK LAVIE
The Associated Press

JERUSALEM - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Sunday that Israel could still build Jewish settlements, in defiance of a U.S.-backed peace plan.

Meanwhile, four Palestinian militants died late Sunday, apparently when a bomb they were planting went off in northern Gaza.

Sharon told his Cabinet that settlement construction in the West Bank and Gaza Strip should proceed quietly, a senior Cabinet official quoted the prime minister as saying. Israel TV's Channel 1 said Sharon told the ministers that settlement building "isn't part of the road map. It's my personal commitment."

Under the "road map" for peace, Israel would have to observe the building ban in the coming months after the Palestinians begin dismantling militias and Israel removes dozens of settlement outposts.

Sharon adviser Raanan Gissin said Israel would continue construction in built-up areas of settlements. Asked about the required freeze, he noted that the Cabinet, in voting on the plan, attached objections.

After the four militants died, Palestinian security officials said at first that Israeli tanks fired at a group of militants from the Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. Three men were killed and four others were wounded in the northeast Gaza town of Beit Hanoun. Another died later in a hospital, doctors said.

Later, however, loudspeaker trucks drove through the area saying that the four died while "fulfilling their national duty," a phrase used in the past to announce accidental deaths.

Israeli military sources, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Israeli forces did not fire tank shells. Instead, they said, the militants were on their way to plant a bomb and it went off prematurely, killing them.

Israeli forces have maintained a presence near Beit Hanoun for several weeks, trying to prevent Palestinians from firing rockets at a nearby Israeli town.

Early today, about 15 tanks entered the town of Qarara in central Gaza and surrounded the house of a Hamas leader, security officials said.

Mideast mediators, meanwhile, expressed concern over Israel's killing of Abdullah Kawasme, a local leader of the Hamas militant group in the West Bank city of Hebron.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said the killing Saturday could set back peace efforts, but he stopped short of directly criticizing it.

"We can't allow ourselves to be stopped because of these incidents," Powell said after meeting with other leading members of the so-called Quartet of mediators -- the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and Russia -- during an economic conference in Jordan.

The Quartet is trying to rescue the peace plan, buffeted by Mideast violence since its launch by President Bush on June 4.

The mediators said they deplore "brutal terror attacks against Israeli civilians" but also expressed "deep concern over Israeli military actions that result in the killing of innocent Palestinian and other civilians."

The statement did not refer to Israel's extrajudicial killings of wanted Palestinians, which have emerged as an obstacle to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas' efforts to persuade militant groups to halt attacks. The armed groups have said they will agree to a truce only if Israel halts military strikes, including such killings.

Hamas leaders said Sunday that they would respond soon to the Egyptian-brokered cease-fire proposal. Palestinian Cabinet officials have said the response would come by today.

However, Hamas also threatened new attacks in response to the shooting of Kawasme, blamed by Israel for planning nine attacks that killed 35 Israelis.

"There will be a retaliation," Hamas spokesman Abdel Aziz Rantisi, who survived a recent Israeli missile strike against him, told reporters in Gaza.

Israel said Kawasme was a prime example of a "ticking bomb," an imminent threat of terror attacks. Palestinian officials accused Israel of trying to undermine truce efforts.

The "road map" starts with a halt to violence, a crackdown on militant groups and the dismantling of settlement outposts, and leads through three stages to a Palestinian state in 2005.

Regarding settlements, the plan says Israel must dismantle all outposts put up since March 1, 2001 -- more than 60, according to an anti-settlement watchdog group -- and freeze "all settlement activity."

Gissin said the demand to freeze all construction is unrealistic.

"There can't be a total freeze on any construction, because you can't freeze life in those places," he said.


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Re: Sharon defying Road Map

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
This doesn't seem to be going as planned. What's worse, there hasn't been hardly any mention of that huge wall being built in any media sources, yet it's something like 40 km long and deliberately dividing Palestenian farming land and families. How on earth will a U.S.-backed peace plan ever take place, especially if we can't get either side to "play nice"?


It's just another day in the middle east ... so what else is new?


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Cyrus King
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Im not surprised at the greed these Zionists carry with them in their "roadmap" to peace.

I would like to know why Gissin thinks it is "unrealistic" to stop settlement construction on PALESTINIAN land.


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Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Israel been building settlements again?


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melech_mike
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quote:
Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Israel been building settlements again?


Don't get it twisted... ISRAEL IS NOT BUILDING MORE SETTLEMENTS!

It's the SETTLERS who are building these "settlements that consist of no more then a few tents. They are doing this to make the life of the Israeli government harder... they DONT want to give up their lands, which DO belong to them!

An agreement to destroy these settlements for a cease of terror was what was signed.... I haven't seen terror halted what so ever! I haven't seen Abbas reign in the terrorists as was the agreement.

You want progress... you show the Israelis that this time the PLO means business... and not bullshit! The onus is on the PA -- NOT ISRAEL!


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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Im not surprised at the greed these Zionists carry with them in their "roadmap" to peace.


GREED?!?!? WTF!

I'll show you greed!




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Re: Sharon defying Road Map

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1
This doesn't seem to be going as planned. What's worse, there hasn't been hardly any mention of that huge wall being built in any media sources, yet it's something like 40 km long and deliberately dividing Palestenian farming land and families.


MisterOpus... It seems as though you have some sense of what’s going on in the Middle East... but obviously not much!

Go find the stats of how many Suicide/terror attacks have been infiltrated from Gaza (where the wall is currently in place) 2+ years ago... than find stats since the wall was completed.

After comparing these figures, you'll understand why this $250,000,000 project is pocket change for the Israeli government!

Also, the wall that is being built is WAY longer than 40km, and will only get longer!

Desperate times call for desperate measures... you don't want a wall on your farm land... don't have a social system that breeds terrorists! What do you expect when these kids are told to play in this vicious playground that promotes hate and violence like it's a noble act -- well only against the "infidels" of course.


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Re: Re: Sharon defying Road Map

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Originally posted by occrider
It's just another day in the middle east ... so what else is new?


EDIT: It's just another day working with the Palestinian Authority ... so what else is new?


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quote:
Originally posted by melech_mike
GREED?!?!? WTF!

I'll show you greed!







how is that greed?


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Originally posted by melech_mike
GREED?!?!? WTF!

I'll show you greed!





Also, Mauritania, Djibouti and Somalia are not Arab countries, the map is wrong. And Sudan is close to not Arab.


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Viber
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i guess this map could have work if "Some people" didnt flow with their urge to blow them selfs up into million peaces and take some innocente people to die with them

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Re: Re: Re: Sharon defying Road Map

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EDIT: It's just another day working with the Palestinian Authority ... so what else is new?



theres a Palestinian Authority??
good to know
and i always tought there's a network of terror orginazations wich control the palastinian people and are the palastinian people

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