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Cyrus King
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto
Jewish settlers caught attempting terrorist act.

So....what are some of your comments about this incident?

Im glad these terrorists are caught. Hope there arent more like them.

quote:
Settlers guilty of school bomb plot


The settlers said they wanted to avenge the killing of Jews
Three Jewish settlers have been convicted by a court in Jerusalem of attempted murder after a failed plot to blow up an Arab girls' school in the city.
The men, from the settlement of Bat Ayin, parked a trailer packed with explosives outside the building in April last year but the plot was thwarted by police.

The settlers said they wanted to take revenge for the killing of Jews by Palestinians.

The three - Shlomo Dvir, Yarden Morag and Ofer Gamliel - will be sentenced at a later date.

'Mass killing'

The court heard how the settlers packed the trailer with explosives, cooking gas canisters, a clock, a battery, a detonator and a fuse.

It's better than being blown up at a bus stop

Shlomo Dvir, convicted settler
Dvir and Morag parked the trailer outside the entrance to the school in A-Tur district, and set the timer for 0725, just as students would be arriving for classes.

Gamliel helped plan the attack.

The plot was foiled when police happened to see the men acting suspiciously and checked inside the trailer.

The judge said the men planned to carry out what it called a "mass killing".

'We're sorry'

Following the verdict, Morag and Dvir expressed regret for their actions.

"We're sorry," Dvir said.

"We'll serve our time in jail. It's no big deal. Anyway, it's better than being blown up at a bus stop," he told reporters, referring to Palestinian suicide attacks.

There have been a number of attacks on Palestinians by Jewish militants since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada (uprising) in September, 2000.

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem says up to 15 Palestinians have been killed by Jewish militants over the past three years, while Israeli officials put the number at about six.

More than 850 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian militants since the intifada began.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3117540.stm


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But at least these guys are being prosecuted in a court by Israel. You don't see Palestinians attempting to prosecute Hamas members...

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Re: Jewish settlers caught attempting terrorist act.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
So....what are some of your comments about this incident?

Im glad these terrorists are caught. Hope there arent more like them.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3117540.stm


Good riddance. I'm curious to find out how long their sentences were. It would be nice if the Israeli courts weren't biased.


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Cyrus King
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I wish hamas were detained as well... but its pretty hard to detain a gang or mafia like organization that threatens and even controls the authority in some respects.


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quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
I wish hamas were detained as well... but its pretty hard to detain a gang or mafia like organization that threatens and even controls the authority in some respects.


That and I really do think that many in the PA are simply corrupt officials that really don't care about their own people. I heard this shocking story on NPR's morning edition the other day:

quote:

ANALYSIS: ISRAELI TROOPS WELCOMED BY MANY IN NABLUS AS DETERRENT TO GANG ACTIVITY

Morning Edition: September 15, 2003


Armed Gangs Battle for Control of Nablus


BOB EDWARDS, host:

The West Bank city of Nablus has been hard-hit in the last three years of Israeli-Palestinian violence. Israeli officials call it a center of terrorism, and Israeli troops have staged frequent raids into the city. Last year, Nablus residents spent five months under an Israeli-imposed curfew, yet when Israeli troops went back into the city last month, some residents welcomed them, saying their presence brought an end to a reign of terror by local Palestinian gangs. NPR's Linda Gradstein visited Nablus and filed this report.

LINDA GRADSTEIN reporting:

On a recent afternoon, Samiya Tufaha(ph) was finally able to get her hair done. The well-dressed young mother of three said the presence of Israeli soldiers in Nablus made her feel safe enough to leave her home on the outskirts of the city. For months before the latest Israeli incursion, she says, masked gunmen roamed the streets, fighting each other and terrorizing local residents.

Ms. SAMIYA TUFAHA (Resident of Nablus): Yeah, my husband tell me because--I mustn't go out, you must stay at home, because you can't go to the center of the city.

GRADSTEIN: Last month, after a suicide bombing in Jerusalem killed 22 people, Israeli troops re-entered Nablus to search for Palestinian militants. Tufaha's reaction is surprising.

Ms. TUFAHA: We felt so happy, really. When Israelis come here, we felt so happy because it's calmed down.

GRADSTEIN: While most in Nablus groaned at yet another Israeli incursion, Tufaha says the soldiers are looking for gunmen and do not bother ordinary citizens. Palestinians in Nablus say the city was on the verge of anarchy. More than a dozen residents were killed or wounded by members of the armed gangs. The thugs visited local businesses demanding protection money. Officials who have spoken out against the gangs have seen their cars torched. The brother of the governor or Nablus was kidnapped and held by gang members for several hours.

Near the Balata refugee camp on the outskirts of the city, armed Palestinians set up roadblocks and checked ID cards of local residents. Some people were detained and beaten by gang members in makeshift cells. Abdul Sattar Kassem is a professor of political science at An-Najah University and a sharp critic of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and his Palestinian Authority.

Professor ABDUL SATTAR KASSEM (An-Najah University): There has been some internal rivalry inside Nablus, particularly between prominent authority people like, for instance, the governor and the mayor, and each of them has his own supporters. And once in a while, this kind of friction or rivalry just breaks out into fighting. Most of those who suffer are the innocent people who are in the streets.

GRADSTEIN: It's not clear how many gang members there are. Professor Sattar Kassem estimates there are only a few dozen. He charges that the security services of the Palestinian Authority in Nablus have done little to stop the gangs.

Prof. KASSEM: So many of those people who are shooting belong to the security service, either to the presidential security or to the intelligence or to other departments. So the people have been crippled actually.

GRADSTEIN: The governor of Nablus, Brigadier General Mahmoud Alloul, disagrees. He says he would like to crack down on what he calls `these gangs of thugs and criminals,' but he says Israel has made that impossible by destroying Palestinian police stations and arresting members of the security forces.

Brigadier General MAHMOUD ALLOUL (Governor of Nablus): (Through Translator) There is a problem of covering the security situation in the region. The basic reason behind that is the Israeli commission that make the law and (unintelligible) absent as the result of the destruction of the infrastructure of the Palestinian Authority.

GRADSTEIN: Many of the gang members say they belong to the Al Aqsa Martyr Bridgades, a militant offshoot of Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement that has claimed responsibility for dozens of attacks against Israel over the past three years. Amin Mahbul(ph), the newly elected secretary-general of Fatah in the West Bank, says the movement will eventually deal with the gangs.

Mr. AMIN MAHBUL (Secretary-General of Fatah): I believe we Fatahs can make control, but when we can. Now, no; no one can make control now, because the Israeli in every day kill every day, arrested, you we cannot tell him, `Stop.'

SOUNDBITE OF CAR HORN

GRADSTEIN: The streets of Nablus these days are crowded. With Israeli troops in control of the city, the gang members have gone underground, at least for now. But many here worry that if the Israeli soldiers pull out, the gangs could come back.

Linda Gradstein, NPR News.

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning....gradstein.html


Granted I'm sure IDF strikes against police stations have had some role in the affair, however, most certainly not to this degree! I think that among some PA officals, Israel has been an easy scapegoat and an easy sell to their people to cover up their own corruptness and ineptitude.


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I'm glad they got caught and put on trail and i'm even happier to see proof that israel is pro-actively trying to end terrorism.

occrider, i think your point can also apply to outside arab countries. i dont want to seem racist or anything but i belive that some arab officials are using the US as a scapegoat for the economic and political problems that have raveged the middle east for decades now. They unite their people in rage agianst the US/Israel so that they wont start to rage agianst their own government once they see how they havent developed much over the past 30 or so years.


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Yoepus
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yes I heard of this story when the settlers were caught. I'm glad to see that justice was done, and this plot unfoiled before mass disaster. I was most shocked when I heard this plot that the Jewish terrorist decided to pick a girls school as their target!

Like other mention to bad the PA isn't doing anything about their own terrorists... As Mike pointed out before his ban (speaking of which it is fairly quiet in this forum without him ) that many terrorist are caught, and then released, either by Israel or the Palestinians to the determent of the peace process.... these are NO political prisoners.

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Viber
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lol,some settelers are kinda insane,they can attack soldiers or beat up their own and say "dammet you are violating saturday,let me protect it!


anyway,i dont see their connection to israel in anyway besides the fact that israel is stoping them everytime and the fact that most israelies are aginst settelers for taking resources from the country like miletry and that 10 billion dollars fance when in that time the econemy is in the toilet


of course i think that there are lots of sain settelers who are needed(dont kill me for saying that..)c

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matty
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We need to see more of this. But CK was right in saying that its hard to crack down on those kind of gangs perticularly if they have rooted themselves in the govt.

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