yeah true, but nvidia once ruled ati (then came the 8500), and before that 3Dfx ruled (then came TNT)... maybe bitboys will be next to rule them all?

ATI is Get in the Game, why Nvidia is the way is meant to be (dis)played (used)

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030512/index.html

Unfortunately you are wrong. I trust Tom's Hardware much more than GameDepot. Not by much, but NVidia is still on top with cards in the future to dominate ATI.

ATI has incredible TERRIBLE drivers for LINUX and MAC, 3D pretty much does not work and ATI support for drivers even for WINDOWS SUX:

I have ATI Mobility 7500 video in my laptop and these suckers don't make drivers for their MOBILITY chipsets and the fuc**** DELL only has drivers for XP, 3rd party drivers don't work even on windows 2000!!


nVidia ->> is very good, drivers for everything ready and their are cards are very close in competition and price.

I have 9700 Pro in my desktop and it heats up like a crazy mother******, my room is boiling and I even have 3 fans cooling it too.

Rofl maybe your overclocking it without a cooler.. and may I suggest you update them to 3.7 or maybe get the omega drivers.. And remember ati is just starting to get it compatible with linux and mac.. since nvidia tried to take over.

If you want performance just get Ati

yujie will explain heheh..

Well actually John Carmack from Doom can explain he's having trouble making doom perform smoothly with nvidia ahhah.

I have not gotten any trouble with Ati and I built it myself. I was an nvidia user like you but I switched to Ati for best performance. And no it doesn not heat up and I have 3 fans inside even with one fan off it wouldn't make a difference. Maybe you stuck it in wrong. Or just like you said your room is boiling so of course its going to heat up.. you should read the prints on all computers "must keep at room temperature"

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Originally posted by DJ Lac Rofl maybe your overclocking it without a cooler.. and may I suggest you update them to 3.7 or maybe get the omega drivers.. And remember ati is just starting to get it compatible with linux and mac.. since nvidia tried to take over. If you want performance just get Ati yujie will explain heheh.. Well actually John Carmack from Doom can explain he's having trouble making doom perform smoothly with nvidia ahhah. I have not gotten any trouble with Ati and I built it myself. I was an nvidia user like you but I switched to Ati for best performance. And no it doesn not heat up and I have 3 fans inside even with one fan off it wouldn't make a difference. Maybe you stuck it in wrong. Or just like you said your room is boiling so of course its going to heat up.. you should read the prints on all computers "must keep at room temperature"

BASICALLY, ATI ONLY WORKS WELL WITH 2 OPERATING SYSTEMS, THAT IS:

WINDOWS 2000
WINDOWS XP

AND ALL OTHER OS's are ignored, it does work in 98SE and ME, but extremely crapily, even with your 3.7 or Omega drivers, same shit.

NOW, ATI makes a lot of mobile graphics from 7500 and on, and they give 0 support on them, they simply don't give a fuck about the customers.

Now, their cards are unusable even in Windows 2000 Server or in Windows 2003 Server, simply no fucking support whatsoever.


Bottom line, with ATI you get stuck on 2 OS's, and the lack of any support for LINUX and most other Windows OSs makes this card in 99.9% useless.

Now about heating up, the 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro heat up like a mother******, and don't argue, these cards are super hot, esp if u play for straight 8 hours.

Taking everything in consideration, nVidia is competing very well.

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Originally posted by AZCA BASICALLY, ATI ONLY WORKS WELL WITH 2 OPERATING SYSTEMS, THAT IS: WINDOWS 2000 WINDOWS XP AND ALL OTHER OS's are ignored, it does work in 98SE and ME, but extremely crapily, even with your 3.7 or Omega drivers, same shit. NOW, ATI makes a lot of mobile graphics from 7500 and on, and they give 0 support on them, they simply don't give a fuck about the customers. Now, their cards are unusable even in Windows 2000 Server or in Windows 2003 Server, simply no fucking support whatsoever. Bottom line, with ATI you get stuck on 2 OS's, and the lack of any support for LINUX and most other Windows OSs makes this card in 99.9% useless. Now about heating up, the 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro heat up like a mother******, and don't argue, these cards are super hot, esp if u play for straight 8 hours. Taking everything in consideration, nVidia is competing very well.

you must got a dud card then ahahah I play more then you.. I beta test for atari and I stay like 14 hours at least a day..

And my friend has the sager laptop with the mobility and he doesn't have a problem.. wow aren't you in a pitch of luck. But anyways the drivers are great. One thing for sure, you need to research more on what you do then just stick it in and thinking it would work for that OS. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither will this. You need to start upgrading.. This is now not the past. Heck you think people would care if you have an old card? No.. Its whats now that matters to them. I have a Geforce 1 and I ask for help and what they say "Oh I'm sorry sir we don't support geforce anymore, but if you download the latest drivers it might able to fix it" Hah and thats what I did so basically I said to myself ok I guess time to get a new card.

But my final say to this is that if you want performance get ATI if you don't give a damn then just stick with what fits you. Thats basically what this thread is about. That ATI has better quality then Nvidia and that Nvidias Pixel Shader which is important for performance is slow as F*ck. Thats why Doom 3 is being pushed back to next year. Nvidia was always good at getting into people's heads.. heck I have to say their marketing is good. They are like macs with the G5s how insanely fast it would be. Makes people believe and buy it but underneath that its not pretty. Get my drift :P

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Originally posted by AZCA BASICALLY, ATI ONLY WORKS WELL WITH 2 OPERATING SYSTEMS, THAT IS: WINDOWS 2000 WINDOWS XP AND ALL OTHER OS's are ignored, it does work in 98SE and ME, but extremely crapily, even with your 3.7 or Omega drivers, same shit. NOW, ATI makes a lot of mobile graphics from 7500 and on, and they give 0 support on them, they simply don't give a fuck about the customers. Now, their cards are unusable even in Windows 2000 Server or in Windows 2003 Server, simply no fucking support whatsoever. Bottom line, with ATI you get stuck on 2 OS's, and the lack of any support for LINUX and most other Windows OSs makes this card in 99.9% useless. Now about heating up, the 9700 Pro and 9800 Pro heat up like a mother******, and don't argue, these cards are super hot, esp if u play for straight 8 hours. Taking everything in consideration, nVidia is competing very well.

what have u been smoking or living under? nvidia shot itself in there foot many many times this year. they "cheat" on 3dmark03 not once, twice or thrice but 4 or 5 times. they denied they were cheating on lots of benchmarks. when futuremark found both companies were cheating ati admitted it and removed it while nvidia denied it an called it "optimization" and "bride" futuremark about there cheating. they even brag about 3dmark03 in there conference called even tho they dont believe in it that much . they linux because not many people game on them or just htem as much. its call supply and demand. you get to stuck on mostly 1 platform for nvidia too. thats where the money is for the big two.

ati have been in the mobile and server business alot longer than nvidia. there cards are much more optimize for laptops and faster than nvidias. even games with Nvidia logo's are perform much better than nvidias.

tomshardware is not as reliable as it was. he used standard benchmark that everyone useds and that are optimized easily by nvidia. in real games, nvidia loses more than 70% of them. go check out recent reviews on gamepc.com, beyond3d.com ( real programmers go chat in the forums, very techinical), hardocp. they show nvidia lossing in real games

radeons are not hot. they are cool and more mature than nvidias. my 9700np oc to 400/300 with no problem at all. much better buy than any FX card out there and back.

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go read this

for HL2
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7512

for future gameszz
http://www.beyond3d.com/misc/traod_dx9perf/