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NYCTrancefan
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Michael Moore at Home in "Old Europe"

Germany's favorite anti-American Amerikaner was at it again this weekend. Dishing out his usual American bashing to a longing congregation of Europeans, who cheered at every word he stated. Moore riffed, sang and joked his way through the topics that have become standard fare in his books and crowd favorites. He mocked American ignorance by citing a National Geographic geography study in which 70 percent couldn't identify where the U.K. was on the map. He slammed George W. Bush for acting in God's name in Iraq, and read a chapter from his book he titled "Jesus W. Christ." He even told Germans "Don't be like us," he said. "You've got to stand up, right? You've got to be brave." Mixing in sports metaphors, Moore said popular European sports like rugby and soccer revealed the old continent's more cooperative, team-oriented approach to matters. In rugby, if someone gets tackled with the ball, he just throws it to the next person," he said. 'No! You go on without me!' Throughout his usual liberal cannon fodder for the ultra leftists, he never once mentioned any positives of the U.S, He never spoke of liberty and justice for the citizens of the world, he instead choose to continue his brand of I think Bush is so dumb and many Americans are naive. It is why people like this have little credibility, they never propose solutions. Instead they prefer to continually critique the system but have no solid, firm, definitive and contextual substance to their agendas. just my take on this guy however.


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NeoPhono
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I for one have no problem with Mr. Moore staying in Germany. He says he fights for the commoner, while he lives in a New York City central park apartment, sending his kids to private schools, getting rich on his book and movie sales. It would be hard for me to trash a country that had given me so much, but hey...let's rip it instead, get rich off of it, and offer no feasible solutions. Right, Michael?

Anyway, he can stay over there a few years, and when his fat ass throws a clot or his heart goes on the fritz, he can experience first-hand the joys of socialized medicine he loves so much.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
I for one have no problem with Mr. Moore staying in Germany. He says he fights for the commoner, while he lives in a New York City central park apartment, sending his kids to private schools, getting rich on his book and movie sales. It would be hard for me to trash a country that had given me so much, but hey...let's rip it instead, get rich off of it, and offer no feasible solutions. Right, Michael?

Anyway, he can stay over there a few years, and when his fat ass throws a clot or his heart goes on the fritz, he can experience first-hand the joys of socialized medicine he loves so much.


Can you please back up your saying that he lives in a central park apartment and sends his kids to private schools? Ive heard that before but never seen any backing for it.


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at least you now know what it is to have an Uri Avnery. I find him and his books disgusting. And every1 of his blind pseudo-informed followers (mainly 15 year old "death to BUSH!!"-tshirt wearing pimple-packed teenies ). Using the most simplistic, polemic "arguments" to approach even the dumbest individuals and make them feel knowlegable. He's the epitome of irony, HE is the stupid white man he's bashing.

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quote:
Originally posted by dj adagnitio
Can you please back up your saying that he lives in a central park apartment and sends his kids to private schools? Ive heard that before but never seen any backing for it.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/michaelmo...1055527,00.html

quote:

2. He lives with his wife and his daughter in a $1.2m home in New York City.


http://www.arcataeye.com/top/020312top02.shtml

quote:

Moore dismissed criticism over his purchase of a million-dollar home. "I'm a millionaire, I'm a multi-millionaire," he proclaimed. "I'm filthy rich. You know why I'm a multi-millionaire? 'Cause multi-millions like what I do. That's pretty good, isn't it? There's millions that believe in what I do. Pretty cool, huh?"


And interestingly enough (I thought he was against big business):

quote:

Asked about Arcata limiting the number of pattern restaurants to nine, Moore said he didn't think it was a good idea. But what if corporate dominance transforms Arcata into "Anywhere, USA?" "You are in Anywhere, USA," Moore said.

Moore seemed to embrace capitalistic Darwinism. "If the small businesses suck they'll be driven out of business," he said. "If they got a good restaurant, people will go there and eat. You know in my town the small businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town, they were in the Kiwanas, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store salespersons, Jesse the Barber who signed his name three different times on three different petitions to recall me from the school board. Fuck all these small businesses - fuck 'em all! Bring in the chains. The small businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people. Fuck 'em all. That's how I feel."


Ramblings from a confused individual pandering his opinions to do whatever it takes to get the most money from you or I ...

Edit: Scratch that ... he's not confused, he's brilliant. After all, he is a multi-multi-millionaire. I have no objections to Moore being filthy rich doing what he does ... no different than rush limbaugh. It's nice to see he's living out the american dream


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Moore is an idiot, and more and more (pardon the pun) people are seeing through his BS. Deep down I think he just craves more power in the form of telling people what to think, thus having his little group of Mooronic(sorry, couldn't help it) followers. While I cannot offer specific sources to indicate where he lives or where his children go to school, I'd say that it would be foolish to assume that he lives anywhere but a NYC Multi-million dollar pad (Unless he lives the lap of luxury in California), and that his kids (if he has any), most certainly go to an elite private school.

Funny he would bash the U.K., and then talk about Rugby and Soccer like that, considering both sports have deep ties/roots in England. Don't believe too much of what that fool says--he's just starved for attention.

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Thanks for the help on the sources.

Here's one about his daughter going to a private school.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/art...30/212203.shtml

Moore’s critics have called him everything from “Chomsky for children” and “One-Trick Phony” to simply a jackass. Others note the hypocrisy of a radical socialist who claims to speak for the common man yet lives in a $1.9 million New York apartment and sends his daughter to a posh private school.

http://www.salon.com/june97/media/media970606.html

Numbers 4 and 5 are great.

I can't wait until Farenheit 911 comes out, I predict it will be the demise of our friend Mr. Moore.

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to dismiss Moore as a complete idiot is unfounded. do you end up living in a 1.9 mil dollar house and sending you kids to private school if you are an idiot from Flint, MI? i think not but then again most people dont know how shitty Flint is.

more likely i think that Moore has interesting viewpoints, but is guilty of everything that he accuses others of doing. the manipulation of Bowling for Columbine is one of those things. Unsolicited harassment of people is another.

yet i also see nothing about him 'bashing the UK' as he was praising a communal spirit in Europe, that is definitely non-existant here (how abour our little social program discussion as evidence to that)

the fact that Europe embraces him so readily is that he plays to all their stereotypes about what is worng with the US. what he does is good for 'Moronic' Americans because the lazy here arent exposed to any opposing ideology here. what that does outside of the US is something else entirely.


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Anyway, he can stay over there a few years, and when his fat ass throws a clot or his heart goes on the fritz, he can experience first-hand the joys of socialized medicine he loves so much.


Better than experiencing first-hand the joys of american medical system.


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NeoPhono
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Socialized health care has just as many, if not more, dooming qualites than the current "failing" American system. I'd love to talk about it, since as a health care professional, it is near and dear to my heart. However, I'll just leave this as a Michael Moore topic.

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Moore definitelly manipulates the facts, and is a sell out. However he does make many very good points, and is if nothing else quite entertaining.


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Moore definitelly manipulates the facts, and is a sell out. However he does make many very good points, and is if nothing else quite entertaining.


That's the way I look at it


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