Instead of always bitching about it, why don't you try to be part of the solution?

To be honest even if the fence were to steal land from the Palestinians I would be for it - it would show them that unless they stop terrorism and come to the negotiation table they are on the losing side! ... something I still don't think they comprehend.

- I think that whatever Israel does will lead to something negative, and whatever palestine does will leave to something negative. IM neutral on all this, but I totally dont agree with Israel taking their lands like that... I really see the excuse of security for land-grabbing. But, what can you do.. terrorist attacks and such.. but like I said, Im neutral on this, Im on neither side ( although I tend to understand the palestinians hatred ).

___________________
Upcoming:

Michael Andrews Feat. Gary Jules - Mad World (Grayed Out Mix)

I can understand both sides positions, but with all of the constant finger pointing and relentless posting of things like "Look what they're doing now!" only fuels more animocity, giving each side another reason to continue the violence.

quote:

Originally posted by Shakka I can understand both sides positions, but with all of the constant finger pointing and relentless posting of things like "Look what they're doing now!" only fuels more animocity, giving each side another reason to continue the violence.

Exactly, which is the same reason why I'm slowly ceasing to give a sh$t anymore. If neither side wishes to see peace, and if neither side only knows and wants more violence, why should I hope for peace amongst them all? If anger fuels their emotions and actions, what hope is there really for that region?

Blow the f$ck out of yourselves for all I care. Until either side truly wants peace and is committed to the actions that are required to make peace, all you'll receive is more anger, destruction, and death. I'm personally sick of it all, and will stop giving a sh$t from here on out.

Seriously, what the f$ck does it take for 2 people with different religious beliefs to get along?

___________________
Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

quote:

Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Exactly, which is the same reason why I'm slowly ceasing to give a sh$t anymore. If neither side wishes to see peace, and if neither side only knows and wants more violence, why should I hope for peace amongst them all? If anger fuels their emotions and actions, what hope is there really for that region? Blow the f$ck out of yourselves for all I care. Until either side truly wants peace and is committed to the actions that are required to make peace, all you'll receive is more anger, destruction, and death. I'm personally sick of it all, and will stop giving a sh$t from here on out. Seriously, what the f$ck does it take for 2 people with different religious beliefs to get along?

42?

___________________
Retro ...

quote:

Originally posted by occrider 42?

Very funny.

___________________
Whence September dusk grows crisper still,
with leaves all crimson conquered,
I yearn to shout,
and dance about,
and stick pickles in my honker...

quote:

Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Very funny.

Hehe sorry ... currently re-reading the entire series.

___________________
Retro ...

yawn.

The idea is on of defense, as a reaction to neverending terrorism.
So okay, Israel first bombarded Palestinian cities, then invaded them, then bloacked the border between Israel and the territories, then came the targeted killings. Allthose methods were condemned without offering any realistic alternative. So now they try to solve it with a fence that won't harm anybody...but here we go again.

quote:

Originally posted by TranceGiant yawn. The idea is on of defense, as a reaction to neverending terrorism. So okay, Israel first bombarded Palestinian cities, then invaded them, then bloacked the border between Israel and the territories, then came the targeted killings. Allthose methods were condemned without offering any realistic alternative. So now they try to solve it with a fence that won't harm anybody...but here we go again.

I think the fence would be a good idea ... if it were built on Israel proper. I don't like the idea of a fence snaking through the west bank to protect settlers who really shouldn't be there to begin with.

___________________
Retro ...

Last edited by occrider on Oct-03-2003 at 15:47

I am against this fence, but in looking at it from the perspective of an Israeli, if the Palestinian government will not sit down and hammer out serious issues over the creation of a Palestinian state and the security of Israelis, then what else can be done to prevent the loss of Israeli lives(sure ending the occupation) but that still doesn't address security for Israelis going about their daily lives on buses, in cafes, etc. Its easy to be critical of the fence but remember there are two sides to every story and this is oh so true in this neverending conflict. I agree with the above point about the settlers, problem is these people are religous zealots, who won't go anywhere no matter how many suicide bombings.

___________________
Trance = Heart, Mind, Body and Soul all in 1

Current fav. Global Experience = Madras

Last edited by NYCTrancefan on Oct-03-2003 at 16:30