i love classical music
nothing tops the violin
dont know anything off hand but would love to hear recommendations
beethoven - violin romance no1 is a nice violin piece
dont think you could turn it into a trance melody though

take up the piano though man
would impress chicks

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I used to be a classical music junkie - would spend $50 a month on classical music magazines and probably $100 on CD's [mind you I was very young and the only type of income I had was the good old Youth Allowence ]

I too highly recommend you take up the piano, its great stuff, quite healthy for your soul - if you had a stressful day, you could come home and thrash the piano to your hearts content or if you're in a melancholic mood, you could drown out all your troubles on the keys. I played the piano for several years - early-late teens - but lately havent been able to even look @ the piano [work sux0rz].
Don't know about the attracting chicks part though - I've played @ school concerts and what not...

In terms of mixing classical with trance - the harmonies and chord progressions would suite trance without a doubt but actual solo melodies would be quite difficult.

Here is what I recommend for classical melodies that would suite trance [in it's original form or "tweaked" to some extent]:

Beethoven: Sonata No.8 in C-minor, Op.13 'Pathetique' - 1.Grave-Allegro di molto e con brio
Popular mainstream piano sonata from Beethoven. It's used everywhere, TV-adds, movies, cartoons, "on hold" phone queues, and even in Seinfield
This first movement has a nice driving force to it - the movement as a whole would probably be good for a breaks mix - but for trance, yeah theres a ALOT of melodies you could use. Listen to it the whole thing through and slowly take it in. The piece jumps up and down and even sideways, so flipping through the track won't do any justice.
I tried learning this piece, but after 2 days I gave up - too hard for me hehe The second movement though is alright to learn and also quite popular, slow and melodic.

1.Grave-Allegro di molto e con brio [MIDI]

Beethoven: Sonata No.14 in C#-minor, Op.27 No.2 'Moonlight' - 1.Adagio sostenuto
Again, another mainstream piece, most proberly Beethoven's most popular piano work. Dark, slow and melodic - the whole movement is based on responding chord progressions - resolutions dark and uplifting. The top melody is very minimal but most effective.
Played this as my half yearly's in the HSC and also @ school concerts hehe the piece is tooo sombre and the last few phrases of the piece - you have to play it as soft as possible and make it seem as though the piece fades out - but just for the sheer fun [and to be a total dickhead] I would slam the last chord as hard as possible [after playing almost a minute of near-silent phrases] to wake the audiences up [but really try to scare the shit out of them] hehe and it worked all the time

1.Adagio sostenuto [MIDI]

Beethoven: Violin Sonata No.5 in F-major, Op.24 "Spring" - 1.Allegro
Beethoven's violin sonata's also have piano so it's more like duo since both instruments have equal importance. This particular sonata is simply... uplifting? hehe Nice melody - its all fluffy and happy and butterflies flying around a rich garden Was absolutely hooked to this when I first heard it - the midi doesnt do it justice, you must hear Itzhak Perlman's rendition with Vladmir Ashkenazy @ the piano - you au.ta's will love it when the piano rolls in after the first violin phrase <3

1.Allegro [MIDI]

Bach: Well Tempered Clavier, Book.I - BWV846-869 - Prelude and Fugue No.1 in C, BWV846
Proberly the most important piece of modern music ever written [not this particular movement but the book as a whole]. Bach standardized the equal temperament with this piece or in other words [very general though] music sounds the way it does for our ears now because of Bach's book. [repeat again to avoid flames: very general]
Another fluffy uplifting piece - played this also for my HSC.

Prelude and Fugue No.1 in C-major, BWV846 [MIDI]

Bach: Suites For Unaccompanied Cello - No.1 in G-minor, BWV1007 - Prelude
Probably heard this on TV-ads and in City Circle trainstations hehe Wonderful piece, similar to the C-major prelude. The cello is such a under-rated instrument, Bach skillfully shows how intimate a cello can be - Yo Yo Ma's rendition is the best I've heard.

No.1 in G, BWV1007 - Prelude [MIDI]

Rachmaninoff - Prelude in G-minor, Op.23 No.5 - Alla Marcia
Rachie's dark and melancholic trademark sound is noted all over the place in this piece. Has a driving march-like rhythm, havent done any research on this piece yet, but it may have something to do with WW2 @ the time. Again, there a heaps of melodies here that you may want to tweak into trance.

Prelude in G-, Op.23 No.5 - Alla Marcia [MIDI]

The selections above were based entirely on melody - which is what trance is all about
But in terms of just listening pleasure, I could go on forever!

Recommended pieces for the classical n00b:

Mozart - Piano Concerto no.25
Bach - Goldbreg Variations
Rachmaninoff - 2nd and 3rd Piano Concertos
Bach - Concerto for Piano and Orchestra No. 5
Brahms - 3rd Symphony
Dvorak - Violin Concerto

Ahh theres too many to mention hehe

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Originally posted by [ groovypants ] informative shit here

thanks a lot, i was joking about the stealing for trance melodies though

Thanks for the detail groovypants.

I had a listen to the midi files. I think actual recordings would sound much better! The strings don't sound like strings in midi files.

I like Vivaldi's works, especially The Four Seasons. Most people would know "Spring", especially the first few parts, because it gets a lot of exposure. But the rest of The Four Seasons is brilliant. I admire anyone who can play the entire thing. Three are some very fast moments.


Gouryella - Ligaya seems to have a classical music feel to it.

I'm pretty sure Rollerball - Albinoni is a trance version of a classical piece. What is the exact name of the original?

Have you guys seen the Wolf Blass advertisement on TV? Every time I see it, I think of how the first 10 seconds or so sounds like the beginning of an epic trance track. I think there is enormous potential to make a trance track out of it. I wish someone would!

Yes, actual performance recordings sounds a whole lot better than those MIDI's obviously hehe

The Four Seasons is great - "Winter" being my favourite. You should hear the Australian Brandenburg Orchestra play it, it's freaking awesome - they are a period instrument orchestra, meaning that all of the players have instruments that were made @ the time of the Baroque period [i.e. 300 years ago].

Rollerball - Albinoni is indeed a classical remake. I'm not too fond of the remix, but I love the original. The exact name of the piece is: Tomaso Albinoni - Adagio in G-minor.
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Have not seen the Wolf Blass add yet, but will keep an eye out for it.

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Originally posted by Hyperdimension Have you guys seen the Wolf Blass advertisement on TV? Every time I see it, I think of how the first 10 seconds or so sounds like the beginning of an epic trance track. I think there is enormous potential to make a trance track out of it. I wish someone would!

yeh, i have hyperD and i agree.. potential for MAJOR TUNAGE!!! if only we knew what it was called

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hey hey look what i found!

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Listen to the memorable music from the Wolf Blass television commercials.

check it out here

you can even download the ringtone to your phone!!! w00t!

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Thanks eRRaTiK, I just checked it out, and had to watch the ad at least 10 times, couldn't get enough of it! The visuals are superb, epsecially the first 5 seconds when the eagle comes to life and the golden logo glows, it really goes well with the music. I think the online version is shortened though... it would sound better if the first 5 seconds were repeated before moving onto the main theme. The first 5 seconds is the tranciest part and what strongly hooks me onto it.

It's funny how they will even send you a free ringtone to your mobile phone! How does the ringtone sound? I lost my Nokia and now have a Panasonic phone, so can't get it.

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Originally posted by [ groovypants ] The Four Seasons is great - "Winter" being my favourite.

groovypants, Yes I like Winter too. It was used on the ABC TV channel to promote upcoming shows for the Winter season, and was very effective too with some nice visual effects.

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instruments that were made @ the time of the Baroque period [i.e. 300 years ago].

Do such old instruments sound better than new instruments? I would have thought they'd have suffered from wear-and-tear after 300 years!


Thanks for identifying the original of Albinoni.

I was just thinking about Adagio for strings, a sweeping epic classic, featured in the films "Platoon" and "The Elephant Man". William Orbit recorded a semi-electronic version, and Ferry corsten turned that into into trance, and it wasn't a bad result either. Try this link for the original version: Adagio for Strings Op. 11

I used to play the cornet when I was younger - spent probably 10 years worth of weekends going to rehearsals, concerts etc, so I know a bit about classical music as well.

I prefer the energetic classical music, stuff like Wagner - something that I can hear

If you want info about the piano and stuff as well, a guy on here called DJ Dowlz was doing a degree in piano or something I think

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Originally posted by webmeister I used to play the cornet when I was younger - spent probably 10 years worth of weekends going to rehearsals, concerts etc, so I know a bit about classical music as well. I prefer the energetic classical music, stuff like Wagner - something that I can hear If you want info about the piano and stuff as well, a guy on here called DJ Dowlz was doing a degree in piano or something I think

Wowzers you played the cornet? And Dowlz has a music degree? Good shit, seems that we have quite a few au.ta musicians

We should start up a little orchestra - The Australian Tranceaddict Chamber Orchestra! We would preform orchestrated arrangements of prog. and trance pieces all over the world hah!

ohhh... and Brahms > Wagner

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Originally posted by Hyperdimension Do such old instruments sound better than new instruments? I would have thought they'd have suffered from wear-and-tear after 300 years!

With Baroque pieces, yes, they definitely sound much better - they have the usual warm and rich sound to them. Most instruments survive the wear and tear, some get re-condition.
The Stradivirus violin is probably the greatest violin ever made, musicians would pay MILLIONS for it, and yet it was made well over 200 years ago - the sound from them is aboslutely amazing.

Indeed, Corsten's remix of Barber's Adagio was amazing, I loved it. But there hasnt been many classical remakes that have appealed to me. Theres only 3 that I like: Ferry's Adagio, Sensation 2003 and 3rd Earth are all great!

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