oh they do intervene, its mainly secret services sent to favor a side over another in many conflicts...

prime example: Republic of Congo (Zaire)

if you read a bit about that conflict you'll see that they're is many foreign hands at work...

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what do you mean there hasn't been intervention?

The world has come to Africa's aid many times over the past 50 years, almost everytime they came to help it turned out to be an even worse disaster... so they're giving it pause and theorizing new strategies for Africa in the moment.

Most visible of these instances will be the US led international force in Somolia who pulled out because a bunch of terrorist shot down two helicopters.


oh and its not oil, many African countries are very well off with natural resources, but to most developing nations that is more of curse than a blessing

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Intervention hasn't been on the scale of something like Iraq because there's no "payoff" at the end...whether in the form of real economic benefits or political benefits. Think about it...the "coalition of the willing" (bwaaahahaha!!!) liberates the people of the tyranny of Saddam and those horrible weapons of mass destruction that somehow directly threaten the U.S. (whoa...almost laughed again!)...and they are "heroes". Too bad it's not working out that way...but that's not the point. The perceived payoff was there. For African countries...first of all, most people know *very* little about African politics to begin with, so what benefit is there for any nation to get involved? Sadly...very little outside of a genuine desire to improve the lives of the people there...and I think we all know that unfortunately, that's not even close to enough to motivate most countries to do anything.

Corruption and brutality exist on levels equal to or far greater than exist in Iraq...Tibet, Cuba, even in Mexico...but it's too difficult to get directly involved. China laughs anytime a country challenges them on Tibet. Cuba's gov't has weathered decades of sanctions, the people being the ones who are hurt, etc. It's pathetic.

The problem with many African nations is that they have a bunch of self serving leaders who operate under the ethics of corruption and greed. I had a friend who was from Nigeria and went to my university he spoke to me at length about the corruptions of Olesegun Obasanjo, president of Nigeria and his government, its like second nature. Lets assume the United States intervenes and helps set up a new government, what is to stop the naysayers from blasting the U.S. ten years down the road when that corrupt African leader is still in power. I have an example for you not from Africa but from the Caribbean, Haiti and its leader Jean-Bertrand Aristide, Mr. Aristide came to power with the vocal support and pressure of the U.S. placed on the then Haitian dictator, today Mr. Aristide is no less corrupt and a despot than the man he replaced over a decade ago. Was it not for the media ignoring that nation the world would see the protests that take place daily for Aristide's removal. The reality is when will nations start taking more responsibility for their social issues. I for one don't care to see the U.S. involved in any more forms of nation building or overseas ventures of realpolitik, of course there is always interests of economics and politics that take the place of avoiding these tumoltuous regions, Africa included.

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logically speaking it would seem a little strange that we would go all out in Iraq and not in Liberia (a nation the US created). but it basically comes down to one thing.... $$$

no $$$ = no one cares

I think it will change though. I have read a lot of the potential benefits of investing in Africa, especially in the telecommunications rhelm. Hey if Tom Clancy is writing about it, then it matters... right?

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Originally posted by smokeape The whole place is AIDS infested and better left to fester and die off. Best policy is containment. No one in the world really misses a few thousand dead Congolese or Zulus anyhow! {{{smoke}}}

wow. this has to be one of the most fucked up posts ive ever read. and last time i checked, its not a few thousands, but a few MILLIONS that were infected with the hiv virus.

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People complain if you do intervene, people complain if you don't. It's a fucked situation either way. I agree that Africa needs some help, but I think that it would be a bad idea for the US to get involved with another continents affairs yet again. I think Bush is the wrong president to deal with any sort of intervention towards Africa.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade People complain if you do intervene, people complain if you don't. It's a fucked situation either way. I agree that Africa needs some help, but I think that it would be a bad idea for the US to get involved with another continents affairs yet again. I think Bush is the wrong president to deal with any sort of intervention towards Africa.

Thank you, my point exactly. After all isn't the U.S always accused of installing bad governments in these parts of the world, while people look pass the French protecting their cocoa production interests right now in the Ivory Coast (Cote D'Ivoire), gotta love that name, elect me as leader of it and I would change that name right away. Only recently the U.S. and Bush was being criticised for not giving enough to the fight against Aids (we're giving the most), Bono came to the White House looking for more upfront, what is America a money pit. People then said Bush was doing it for dubios reasons, okay. Hence you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. Let the Europeans give much more as well. You're right anuneventrade give the necessary help and avoid the politics, let the U.N deal with that, isn't that what they should be doing.

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Originally posted by smokeape The whole place is AIDS infested and better left to fester and die off. Best policy is containment. No one in the world really misses a few thousand dead Congolese or Zulus anyhow! {{{smoke}}}

with comments like that, ur time on these forums will be short

i suggest you modify your attitude or a ban will follow

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