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Originally posted by DaveSaenz I DON'T.

I DO!
we used to fear out of scads pointing to TEL-AVIV. now we dont..
we used to try and stop money coming from saddam to hamas (he also declared that he will pay a large amount od money to every family that sent a suicide bomber, and he did, and now it stopped).

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If I lived in Israel I would certainly feel alot safer!!! And on behalf of my country, I accept your many thanks!

But I live in Yorkshire in Northern England, so no! I dont feel any safer! (In fact all I think this war has done for my country is make us more at risk to terrorism!)

I don't feel safer, but I think I'm going to enjoy the lower oil price, living right next to America.

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Originally posted by deluxe I DO! we used to fear out of scads pointing to TEL-AVIV. now we dont.. we used to try and stop money coming from saddam to hamas (he also declared that he will pay a large amount od money to every family that sent a suicide bomber, and he did, and now it stopped).

The real question is, has suicide bombing stopped or slowed down?

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I think everybody in the US should feel a lot more insecure, after the war in afghanistan and iraq.

Congratulations!! You are now the prime target for every international terrorist organization (well you already were, but now your reputation will last a lot longer - at least one whole generation).

yup, with one war in Iraq the US disarmed two great threats to the world - Iraq and Libya. Its not a safe world, but it is much safer than if the US would have done nothing. The US has not appeased terrorism and that my friends and enemies () is the begining to a safer world.

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I actually do feel safer.

I hate to admit it, but going into Iraq has had a "bully" effect on other countries. There mere fact that we went into another country, pretty much unilaterally, has shown other countries that the US will not tolerate supporting terrorism or extremist governemnts and is more than prepared to act. Syria, Iran and maybe even North Korea have all softened their stances since the war.

I also have to look at terrorist activity on American soil since the Afghanistan/Iraqi invasions, and in all reality there has been none. 9/11 was suppossed to represent the beginning of a terrorist Jihad on the United States herself, but since then there has been nothing. Sure, we have been attacked over seas, and we have had to take safety measures (diverting/cancelling flights, etc.) but I feel very safe on US soil.

The Iraq/Afghanistan regions will be hot spots for years to come. This is not really America's fault in my opinion. Both areas were liberated from extremist and often cruel governments and that to me is the most important issue. The reason for the strife is age-old: peoples of different customs and beliefs fighting for control of land/independence in a power-vacuum. This has or is going on in Isreal, Bosnia, Chechnya and now Iraq and Afghanistan, it's really nothing new or unexpected.

Would I feel safer in Iraq or Afghanistan? No. Do I feel safer here in the United Stats? Most definetly yes.

i never felt threatened by Iraq, and now I actually feel a lot less safe. I'll feel safer once Bush is out of office.

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Originally posted by deluxe I DO! we used to fear out of scads pointing to TEL-AVIV. now we dont.. we used to try and stop money coming from saddam to hamas (he also declared that he will pay a large amount od money to every family that sent a suicide bomber, and he did, and now it stopped).

My cousin is not over there getting shot at to appease Israel, nor ExxonMobil, nor Haliburton.

Israel has a powerful military and they could have done their own dirty work.

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Originally posted by dj adagnitio The real question is, has suicide bombing stopped or slowed down?

No. Terrorism has increased in Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...4-2004Feb1.html

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Twin Bombings Kill at Least 56 in Northern Iraq Suicide Attacks Strike Both U.S.-Backed Kurdish Political Parties in Irbil By Scheherezade Faramarzi The Associated Press Sunday, February 1, 2004; 3:04 PM IRBIL, Iraq -- Two suicide bombers with explosives wired to their bodies struck the offices of the country's two main Kurdish parties in nearly simultaneous attacks Sunday, killing at least 56 people and wounding more than 235 in the deadliest assault in Iraq in six months. The attacks struck in the Kurdish heartland and took a heavy toll among senior leaders of Iraq's most pro-American ethnic group. Elsewhere, an American soldier was killed and 12 were wounded in a rocket attack on a logistics base in Balad, 50 miles north of Baghdad, the U.S. command said. The death raised to 523 the number of U.S. service members who have died since the Iraq conflict began in March. The Irbil attackers slipped into the offices of the Kurdistan Democratic Party and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan along with hundreds of well-wishers gathering for the Muslim holiday of Eid al-Adha, or the Feast of Sacrifice. Kurdish television said both bombers were dressed as Muslim clerics. Leaders of both parties, whose militias fought alongside U.S. soldiers during the invasion of Iraq last year, were receiving hundreds of visitors to mark the start of the four-day holiday when the blasts went off. Guards said they did not search people because of the tradition of receiving guests during the holiday. Neither party's top leader -- Jalal Talabani of the PUK and Massoud Barzani of the KDP -- was in Irbil when the attacks occurred. Although Iraq has suffered numerous suicide bombings in recent months, the attack Sunday marked the first time perpetrators have worn explosives rather than using vehicles. Sunday's blasts came a day after a car bomb outside a police station in the northern city of Mosul killed at least nine people. Hours later, a mortar attack hit a Baghdad neighborhood, killing five people and wounding four. U.S. officials said foreign militants or Ansar al-Islam, an al-Qaida-linked Islamic militant group based in the north that has frequently clashed with the Kurds, may have carried out the attacks. There was no immediate claim of responsibility. "We have no proof at this point (about who is responsible). It could be Ansar al-Islam. It could be al-Qaida. It could be any of a number of foreign terrorist groups operating in Iraq," said U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, coalition deputy chief of staff for operations. U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer pledged to work with Iraqi security forces to capture those behind Sunday's bombings. The attackers "are seeking to halt Iraq's progress on the path to sovereignty and democracy," Bremer said in a statement. In statements, the leaders of both parties, once bitter rivals, expressed their resolve to fight terrorism together. "These terrorist acts are against the Islamic religion and humanity and we shall work more seriously toward uniting our (Kurdish) government," Talabani said. "We will work together in order to live in a democratic, federal Iraq." No matter who was behind them, the blasts may heighten tensions between the Kurds and Sunni Arabs. As U.S. and Iraqi leaders try to map out the country's new form of government, some Arabs have sharply opposed Kurdish demands to retain or even expand their self-rule region in the north. Hours after the attack, a mangled head believed to be that of one bomber lay on the floor of the KDP office. Blood and bits of flesh were spattered on the walls and ceilings. The attack on the PUK office, about eight miles away, took place at about the same time. The U.S. command in Baghdad put the casualty toll at 56 dead and more than 200 injured. Irbil city morgue director Tawana Kareem told the AP that 57 bodies were brought to the morgue and "figures are increasing." At least 235 people were admitted to the city's three hospitals with injuries, hospital officials said. Officials said the death toll may be far higher, with some bodies buried in the rubble or taken away by relatives. The KDP leadership took a heavy blow. Among the dead were the Irbil region's governor Akram Mintik, the deputy governor and his two sons, and the KDP Deputy Prime Minister Sami Abdul Rahman, as well as ministers in the Kurdish administration, according to Ihsan and other Kurdish officials. The PUK's military commander also was killed, Kimmitt said. The attack in Irbil, 200 miles north of Baghdad, was believed to be the deadliest since an Aug. 29 car bombing in the Shiite holy city of Najaf killed Ayatollah Mohammed Baqir al-Hakim and more than 100 others as they emerged from Friday prayers. There have been a series of suicide car bombings in Iraq in recent weeks and authorities are concerned they may be the work of al-Qaida. U.S. military officials had said they were prepared for any upsurge of violence in connection with the Eid holiday. The start of the Islamic fasting month of Ramadan last year marked a sharp escalation in violence against the U.S.-led coalition and its Iraqi allies. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, visiting the Iraqi capital Sunday, said the bombings on the Muslim holy day showed the inhumanity of those responsible. "They are not about Islam," he said. "They're about their own fanatical view of the world, and they will kill to try to advance it. But we're winning, and they're losing." Under U.S.-led aerial protection, Iraq's Kurdish minority, ethnically distinct from the majority Arabs, have ruled a Switzerland-sized swath in the north of the country since the end of the Gulf War more than a decade ago. Though they have feuded violently in the past, the KDP and PUK have worked together in recent years to run the zone, creating their own parliament in Irbil. Kurdish leaders have been pressing for a federal system in Iraq's permanent post-Saddam Hussein government that would enshrine their autonomy. That has prompted accusations among many in the Arab majority that the Kurds seek to divide the country Tensions have been further hiked by struggles to dominate Kirkuk, a key oil city just outside the Kurdish zone with a population equally divided among Kurds, Arabs and other ethnic groups. The blasts could sharpen divisions between Arabs and Kurds, said Jonathan Schanzer, a terrorism expert from the Washington Institute for Near East Policy who met Kurdish officials in Irbil last week. "I think that they (the attackers) are trying to drive a wedge between the north and the center," Schanzer said. "They will want the Kurds to circle the wagons and make them more suspicious of Arabs. This will certainly add to the fractured landscape of Iraq." "This was an attack on all Iraqis not on any particular group," Yehia Khatib, a spokesman for the Iraqi Governing Council, said in Baghdad. "Our aim and target to build a new democratic Iraq will not be affected." Also Sunday, about six Iraqis were killed when they accidentally set off an explosion while looting a former Iraqi munitions dump in the desert 112 miles southwest of the southern city of Karbala, said a spokesman for Polish forces.

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Originally posted by LouisLaBelle I don't feel safer, but I think I'm going to enjoy the lower oil price, living right next to America.

The funny thing is, gas prices have been going up steadily in the last months.

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Originally posted by Yoepus yup, with one war in Iraq the US disarmed two great threats to the world - Iraq

There are no WMDs. There was nothing to be disarmed. At the very least we could have had American leaders that would have built a legit coalition or plan to oust Saddam without us having to saddle the burden virtually alone. Weren’t you the one complaining about high taxes the other day? Who do you think is going to pay for this war?

Look in the mirror.

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Libya.

That agreement was under negotiation for some years. He's still a dictator who brutally oppresses his people, but I guess since he's our friend now, we'll just let that slide.

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Its not a safe world, but it is much safer than if the US would have done nothing. The US has not appeased terrorism and that my friends and enemies () is the begining to a safer world.

If we followed John Kerry's and other’s plans to move us to a hydrogen economy and increase fuel efficiency for cars, that would help reduce our dependency on foreign oil. We could then slow and eventually cease the flow of money to Arab nations like Saudi Arabia that support terrorism with a wink and a nod.

I like that plan better than blowing the world up and destroying the Northern half of Alaska forever for 6 months worth of oil.

Let’s face it, even if it was completely the intelligence agencies’ fault, Bush and Cheney will have near zero credibility now when it comes to the “war on terror.”

It’s hard to believe a handful of chickenhawks could wield so much power and destruction.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I actually do feel safer. I hate to admit it, but going into Iraq has had a "bully" effect on other countries. There mere fact that we went into another country, pretty much unilaterally, has shown other countries that the US will not tolerate supporting terrorism or extremist governemnts and is more than prepared to act. Syria, Iran and maybe even North Korea have all softened their stances since the war. I also have to look at terrorist activity on American soil since the Afghanistan/Iraqi invasions, and in all reality there has been none. 9/11 was suppossed to represent the beginning of a terrorist Jihad on the United States herself, but since then there has been nothing. Sure, we have been attacked over seas, and we have had to take safety measures (diverting/cancelling flights, etc.) but I feel very safe on US soil. The Iraq/Afghanistan regions will be hot spots for years to come. This is not really America's fault in my opinion. Both areas were liberated from extremist and often cruel governments and that to me is the most important issue. The reason for the strife is age-old: peoples of different customs and beliefs fighting for control of land/independence in a power-vacuum. This has or is going on in Isreal, Bosnia, Chechnya and now Iraq and Afghanistan, it's really nothing new or unexpected.

I supported the Afghanistan war. We had the community of Nations and a broad coalition on our side. Up until Iraq Bush was doing a decent job on national security when he began to alienate the community of nations more and more with his unilateralist stance. If you think about it, Bush is actually one of the moderates of his Administration when you compare him to many his advisors; fierce unilateralists.

In Iraq before the war, we had US and UK war planes patroling the North and South to protect the Kurds and Shi ahs. Saddam's regime was the only thing keeping the region from falling into civil war, and now our young soldiers are the only thing holding back civil war.

Colin Powell has said there were no ties between Iraq and Al Queda, but if they weren't there before, they are now.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I'll feel safer once Bush is out of office.

As a person of draft age, I agree.

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nicely said DaveSaenz