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Today Rosie O'Donell married her girlfriend. O'Donell is taking a proud stand for gay civil rights in San Francisco. The mayor had granted the "allowance" for homosexual-oriented couple to be married. My question to you is; do you believe "the actions and statements of the president are vile and hateful?"

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If anything, I find the actions of gay-rights activists disrespectful to the Americans who believe in and follow the rule of law.

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Originally posted by imokruok If anything, I find the actions of gay-rights activists disrespectful to the Americans who believe in and follow the rule of law.

Actually, I'm going to agree with you here. I'm in full support of gay marriage , and I do think it's against the US constitution (keeping in mind that i've only glanced at it, as I'm not an American) to deny them the right to marriage, but this was clearly the wrong way to go about it. Why not launch legal action to get the law instead of creating chaos as they have?

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People have been trying to challenge these laws, with little success. I see the actions of the San Francisco mayor, as well as the mayor in New York, as being a very good way of bringing these issues to the forefront. More importantly, this will bring it before a high court in California, which will hopefully agree that the current law violates peoples rights.

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^So, they didn't try all available course of action before resorting to civil disobedience.

I have no sympathy for that sort of behaviour.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

I think in America allowing civil unions instead of marriages will be a much easier pill for the public as a whole to swallow. Even if civil unions allow everything that a nomral marriage does under the eyes of the law (legal benefits, financial, etc.), the word "marriage" in itself carries a denotation of a man and a woman, usually wed under a religious ceremony. I think the fact that this new "gay" marriage does not fit that definition at all is what makes it such a hot topic.

I also think that what the actions in California might do is alienate and offend many of the moderate Americans that could have gone either way on the issue. After seeing this display in San Fransisco, many of these moderates could decide not to support gay marriage because of the blantant disregard for the American legal system being shown by the ones who want it most. Just my 2 cents.

I do think Bush is insane for proposing a constitutional amdendment against gay marriages. I think some day this will be looked back upon much the same way the civil rights movement of the 60's was. I would just say leave the word "marriage" out of it, allow civil unions, and be done with it.

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Originally posted by EvilTree ^So, they didn't try all available course of action before resorting to civil disobedience.

Considering as of now, NO ONE hs declared their actions illegal I really don't see how it's civil disobedience.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I think in America allowing civil unions instead of marriages will be a much easier pill for the public as a whole to swallow. Even if civil unions allow everything that a nomral marriage does under the eyes of the law (legal benefits, financial, etc.), the word "marriage" in itself carries a denotation of a man and a woman, usually wed under a religious ceremony. I think the fact that this new "gay" marriage does not fit that definition at all is what makes it such a hot topic.

As much as I do, in a sense see the logic of what your saying, I have to disagree. As long as marriage is a legal term and has a legal value it is not reasonable to use it in a discriminatory fashion.

I also agree that in the future this will be looked apon in a similar light as the civil rights movement of the 60's.

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Originally posted by EvilTree ^So, they didn't try all available course of action before resorting to civil disobedience. I have no sympathy for that sort of behaviour.

What?! Do you have asspirations to live in the USSR or 1984?!

Try telling that to Ghandi's followers, or the Blacks in South Africa......or the Americans who took up arms against the British in the 1700s!

I know the above are on a hell of a lot larger scale, but its the same principle. Jesus some people!

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Originally posted by imokruok If anything, I find the actions of gay-rights activists disrespectful to the Americans who believe in and follow the rule of law.

** Usually marriages are done by one member of each sex. Today, the world has evolved into a different operation. Keeping in mind the bible does state (and not exactly in these words) that homosexuality is opposed to God's words. As discussed in other threads, blasphamies is the only sin God will not forgive. Being of homosexuality is an expression of a person. Why, in America, when you have the right to do pretty whatever you want can you not marry whom you wish?! As long as you are not killing someone, why should gay marriages not be accepted?! Polygamy(having more than one spouse) is illegal currently now throughout all of America. Yet, was it not allowed a while back in Utah? The only reason people are against homosexuality is because they are embarrassed or worry too much about other peoples lifestyles. People are worried what other people or countries may think. That is the problem with society today; always competing with one another. What is there to compete about when it comes to loving someone? When you truely love someone you do not care what anyone else thinks. You don't judge them, you don't discourage them. Bush should know better being from Texas (a little humor.) You can flame on all you want, but human emotions are more important than what the government believes!

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Originally posted by trancepixie17 http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...EMPLATE=DEFAULT Today Rosie O'Donell married her girlfriend. O'Donell is taking a proud stand for gay civil rights in San Francisco. The mayor had granted the "allowance" for homosexual-oriented couple to be married. My question to you is; do you believe "the actions and statements of the president are vile and hateful?"

this is a repost. the discussion is kinda over last week in the other homo threads. but, let them do as they want. people no longer care to follow god's will, but rather their own. this world is only temporary. they will get what they deserve in time...

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Originally posted by Heinz this is a repost. the discussion is kinda over last week in the other homo threads. but, let them do as they want. people no longer care to follow god's will, but rather their own. this world is only temporary. they will get what they deserve in time...

The best part of this post is the smiley face. It's like reading Revelation and then finding a winking smiley face at the end.

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Originally posted by Heinz this is a repost. the discussion is kinda over last week in the other homo threads. but, let them do as they want. people no longer care to follow god's will, but rather their own. this world is only temporary. they will get what they deserve in time...

You idiot. You do realize that Christianity isn't a new concept, right? There were other religions around before Jebus arrived. Did they 'no longer care to follow gods word' as well?

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