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DaveSZ
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Read This! Ron Reagan, son of former Pres Reagan, to Pen Anti-Bush Editorial

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109154,00.html


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Ron Reagan to Pen Anti-Bush Editorial

Ron Reagan, son of the former president of the United States, is set to write an editorial piece for Esquire magazine urging the end of the Bush administration.

Reagan co-hosted a panel discussion yesterday for The Creative Coalition, the non-partisan lobbying group, at the Sundance Film Festival along with "Lord of the Rings" star Sean Astin, the inimitable "Joey Pants," Joe Pantoliano, and actor Kevin Pollak.

Coincidentally, both Reagan's dad, Ronald, and Astin's mother, Patty Duke, were at one time presidents of the Screen Actors Guild. Of course, Reagan's dad was also president of this country, but in Hollywood that doesn't count as much.

Reagan has always been a vocal opponent of his father's political party, but never as much as he is now. He told me he will write an article of undetermined length for Esquire explaining why George W. Bush should not be re-elected.

One reason, I inferred, was that Bush has blocked stem-cell research for diseases such as Alzheimer's. Reagan is extremely clear about his feelings on this subject, since his father, who will turn 93 next month, has been felled by this insidious illness.

"It's unbelievable that Bush doesn't approve stem-cell research," Reagan said.

I also asked Reagan what he thought of the controversial TV movie, made by CBS but aired on Showtime recently, about his family.

"I saw it on tape," he said. "Someone sent it to me. I think my mother saw some clips from it. It looked to me like a 'Saturday Night Live' sketch. I mean, it was just so bad. And who cared? James Brolin did a terrible imitation of my father. Judy Davis is a good actress, but she's not my mother. The problem is that people made such a big deal out of it, but in the end it was nothing."

Reagan and I reminisced about the days in the early 1980s when he and his wife Doria, to whom he is still married, lived on my block in New York. The Secret Service took up a lot of parking spaces, which caused much grumbling.

"We left after 18 months," he said. "I never really liked living in New York. I'm much happier in the country."

As for the panel discussion, I have to say that Astin is turning into a very articulate and passionate newcomer on the celebrity political scene. Some of this may be attributed to his mother, Patty, who led the Screen Actors Guild through troubled times and won a lot of respect from her peers. We can expect him to make even more of an impression as the election year drags on.





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Not that I really care one way or another about Bush, but Reagan Jr. is:

-Infamous for his past cocaine problems (snorting coke with Hunter S. Thompson during the 1984 Democratic National convention).
-Overtly critical about his father's presidency both during and after his term.
-A staunch democrat.
-Obviously upset about the Bush administrations stem-cell policy in relation to his fathers condition.

How is his opinion any greater than any other Bush-basher?

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Little Ronnie Reagan is a bit of a douchebag. I really only remember his SNL appearance, but it's funny that you don't see or hear about it at all.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
Not that I really care one way or another about Bush, but Reagan Jr. is:

-Infamous for his past cocaine problems (snorting coke with Hunter S. Thompson during the 1984 Democratic National convention).


And that's bad because?

Okay, I know it's a little bad. I'm just a huge Hunter Thompson fan.

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-Overtly critical about his father's presidency both during and after his term.


Not the first offspring of a president to have differing views.

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-A staunch democrat.


*GASP!*

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-Obviously upset about the Bush administrations stem-cell policy in relation to his fathers condition.


What's even more obvious is perhaps he has a legitimate complaint against Bush's bullshit stem-cell pseudo-support:

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President's panelskewed facts, 2 scientists say
By Gareth Cook, Globe Staff, 3/6/2004

Two scientists from President Bush's top advisory board on cutting-edge medical research yesterday published a detailed criticism of the board's own reports, and said the board skewed scientific facts in service of a political and ideological cause.

The authors -- one is a member of the President's Council on Bioethics and the other was fired from the council over a week ago -- have accused the council's chairman, Dr. Leon R. Kass, of ignoring their scientific advice and refusing to include in the board's last report some information that would challenge Bush's restrictions on stem cell research.

Their allegations mark the sharpest public split yet within the council, formed in 2001 to guide US policy through the increasingly difficult ethical terrain of such fields as cloning, in-vitro fertilization, and embryonic stem-cell research.

The authors of the critique published yesterday were two of only three full-time scientists on the council. They said the council's last report, "Monitoring Stem Cell Research," did not make clear that a wave of recent scientific research has cast doubt on the potential of adult stem cells -- a type of cell that Bush held up as a promising alternative when he announced his restrictions on the use of embryonic cells.

Although the council is supposed to provide impartial advice to Bush, one of the scientists said yesterday that its reports seemed to be driven by a preexisting agenda and did not accurately portray the scientific underpinnings of the ethical issues the council was grappling with.

"There is always this strong implication [in the reports] that medical research is not what God intended, that there is something unnatural about it," said Elizabeth H. Blackburn, a highly regarded biologist who was fired from the panel last Friday. "We had a great many comments on the report, and they would just make a little changes that didn't fully address them."

A spokesperson for Kass said that he had no comment on the allegations and that the scientific comments of Blackburn and Janet Rowley, a University of Chicago biologist who cowrote the critique, are adequately represented in the council's reports.

Their critique was published online yesterday by the journal PLoS Biology. It adds to growing criticism from scientists that the Bush administration is manipulating the scientific advice it receives on politically charged issues, ranging from climate change to mercury contamination. Last month, the Union of Concerned Scientists issued a statement, signed by more that 60 Nobel laureates, that alleged the administration has manipulated scientific findings to a degree unprecedented in recent White House history.

The critique also adds to the drama of what is becoming a cause for some biologists: the firing of Blackburn. Blackburn, a member of the National Academy of Sciences and the Institute of Medicine, is often mentioned as a likely candidate for the Nobel Prize for her work in cell biology. But eight days ago, she was told the council had new priorities and she was abruptly fired by a White House official. Kass, the council's chairman, did not tell her she was going to be asked to leave and has not spoken with her since, Blackburn said yesterday.

But shortly before she was fired, she showed him the text of yesterday's critique and told him she had submitted it for publication. At the same time Blackburn was fired, another council member was asked to leave, medical ethicist William F. May of Southern Methodist University.

The firing has drawn attention in the scientific community and has been criticized by some politicians.

"We have diseases that can be cured, and we have a president who has kicked two people off the commission because they happen to think we ought to be doing stem cell research and other kinds of research, and he doesn't want that outcome," said Senator John F. Kerry yesterday through a spokesman. "It is clear that the administration has no respect for science."

The critique published yesterday focuses on two reports issued by the council, one issued in October titled "Beyond Therapy: Biotechnology and the Pursuit of Happiness," and another issued in January titled "Monitoring Stem Cell Research."

The two scientists' critique, entitled "Reason as Our Guide," alleges that the "Beyond Therapy" report unfairly characterizes research into prolonging healthy life as being dominated by scientists who are driven by the goal of immortality. The report, they write, "falls short of explaining the serious challenge of preventing and curing age-related disease to extend health -- very different from attempting immortality."

Blackburn, a professor at the University of California at San Francisco, said that she had submitted a letter to the journal Science, outlining the problems with that report, but that Kass ordered her to withdraw the letter, which she did.

In another section of their critique, Blackburn and Rowley list a series of problems with the stem cell report. The cumulative effect of the problems, Blackburn said, is to overstate the current research promise of adult stem cells and play down the potential of embryonic stem cells, which are created by destroying a human embryo when it has reached a ball of about 100 cells. To its critics, embryonic stem-cell research amounts to taking a human life -- an objection that does not apply to the adult cells, which can be extracted from a person's body without harm. In 2001, Bush declared that the federal government would not fund research using human embryonic cell lines that had not been created before his statement. Michael S. Gazzaniga, a neuroscientist at Dartmouth College who is the only other full-time scientist on the council, said yesterday that he was "very disheartened" that Blackburn had been fired, but that he had no plans to quit the panel. Asked about the new critique by Blackburn and Rowley, he said, "I 100 percent support what they are trying to do," but declined to elaborate.

The report published yesterday is available at www.plosbiology.org.

Gareth Cook can be reached at [email protected]

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

http://www.boston.com/yourlife/heal...scientists_say/


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How is his opinion any greater than any other Bush-basher?


As with all opinions, those with merit and good evidence to support it should be considered with more regard than those that are completely baseless and filled with innuendo. We'll see how this one turns out.


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Is this the same Reagan who was a gameshow host (Lingo)? Or was that another president's son?

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I believe you are correct.

It's scary how much he looks like his parents.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
Not that I really care one way or another about Bush, but Reagan Jr. is:

-Infamous for his past cocaine problems (snorting coke with Hunter S. Thompson during the 1984 Democratic National convention).


What is it with these crazy kids?


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NeoPhono
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I think it would be easy to get pretty messed up if your dad was the most "powerful" person in the world. Think of it if every body in the world knew who your father was, critiqued every move he made, and was effected by virtually everything he did. Talk about developing an inferiority complex. If I was ever serious about running for president, I'd either make sure that my kids were fully grown, or that I didn't have any. I can't think of many normal kids that grew up while their parents were in the White House.

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