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DaveSZ
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This article is a few months old obviously but still relevant.

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Iraq war 'swells al Qaeda ranks'
Wednesday, October 15, 2003 Posted: 12:06 PM EDT (1606 GMT)


LONDON, England (Reuters) -- War in Iraq has swollen the ranks of al Qaeda and galvanized the Islamic militant group's will, the International Institute for Strategic Studies says in its annual report.

The 2003-04 edition of the British-based think tank's annual bible for defense analysts, "The Military Balance," said Washington's assertions after the Iraq conflict that it had turned the corner in the war on terror were "over-confident."

The report, widely considered an authoritative text on the military capabilities of states and militant groups worldwide, could prove fodder for critics of the U.S.-British invasion and of the reconstruction effort that has followed in Iraq.

Washington must impose security in Iraq to prevent the country from "ripening into a cause celebre for radical Islamic terrorists," the report, released Wednesday, concluded.

"Nation-building" in Iraq was paramount and might require more troops than initially planned.

"On the plus side, war in Iraq has denied al Qaeda a potential supplier of weapons of mass destruction and discouraged state sponsors of terrorism from continuing to support it," the report said.

"On the minus side, war in Iraq has probably inflamed radical passions among Muslims and thus increased al Qaeda's recruiting power and morale and, at least marginally, its operating capability," it said.

"The immediate effect of the war may have been to isolate further al Qaeda from any potential state supporters while also swelling its ranks and galvanizing its will."

Magnus Ranstorp, terrorism expert at Britain's St. Andrew's University, told Reuters the report's findings would drive home the importance of rebuilding Iraq and other conflict zones.

"Military planners and the law enforcement community are fully aware of the consequences of failed states," he said.

"I think it's probably worthwhile for politicians to keep in mind our responsibility to provide sustained and long term reconstruction in war-torn countries, so they don't fly back into anarchy or become incubators of terrorism."

Al Qaeda, led by Osama bin Laden, is blamed for the 2001 U.S. airliner hijack attacks which killed some 3,000 people.

A crackdown netted some al Qaeda leaders and deprived al Qaeda of bases in Afghanistan. But it also "impelled an already highly decentralized and evasive international terrorist network to become even more 'virtual' and protean and, therefore, harder to identify and neutralize," the IISS report said.

It said 18,000 veterans of al Qaeda's Afghan training camps were still probably operating worldwide "with recruitment continuing and probably increasing following the war in Iraq."

Al Qaeda leaders, including bin Laden, are mostly still at large and continue to incite followers over the Internet and through pronouncements on Arabic-language television.

Because of its extreme religious world view, al Qaeda "cannot be tamed or controlled through political compromise or conflict resolution," the report said.

But Western countries need to do more to reach out to Muslim countries and their own Islamic minorities to "eliminate the root causes of terrorism," especially after the Iraq war "almost certainly further alienated Islam from the West."

Efforts should be redoubled to resolve local conflicts, such as the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, so regional radical groups such as Hamas do not fall into al Qaeda's embrace, it said.




I guess when he told them to "bring em on" they must have listened.


My analogy for the Bush Administration's "war on terror" would be kicking a mound of fire ants, and then spending your pocket money on beer instead of funding for fire ant poison (i.e. Coast Guard, Police, Fire, Customs).

To the Muslims here, is the Iraq war perceived as a war on Islam?

That's the sense I get from reading the Islamic side of the issue.

I listened to Bush's speech in South Carolina and he felt that the war was justified despite whatever the intelligence said. I also watched a clip of him on the Daily Show saying essentially the same thing, and then lamenting his baseball team's loss in 1980. WTF?


Oh, and I had always thought conservatives were opposed to "nation building?" But maybe they were only opposed to it if it was Clinton's nation building? This Iraq misadventure will certainly cost much more than any of Clinton's nation building (perhaps half a trillion $ or more), so maybe they only oppose lower priced nation building with a shared burden among our allies?

/confused


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Its actually quite ironic that Saddam is as much America's enemy as he is al-Qaida's enemy! Al-Qaida I think wants to set up one Islamic region consisting of all Islamic territories (countries) and (unfortunately) Israel under that Shi'ra law (or whatever its called). Saddam was an Arab Nationalist. In fact, Saddam was put into power preciesly to counter the threat of Islamic extremism (like al-Qaida, which insidently was also set up by America to fight the Russians!) It was also reported that prior to his capture, Saddam had warned his men to beware of, and not to trust foreigners who came to Iraq to fight the coalition forces.

We now are fairly certain that there are (were) no WMDs in Iraq. Now our leaders are trying to blame that on dodgy intelligence. I dont buy that. I do not buy that British and American intelligence could possibly have believed that Iraq had these weapons (US & UK intelligence agencies are after all, made up of the cream of our societies and are extremely intelligent people). The "45 minute claim" by the British government, used as an excuse to take us into war, has now been admitted to refer to battlefield weapons - no shit Sherlock!!! No, the intelligence community is not to blame - our governments have manipulated intelligence to suit their needs, or more to the point, America's needs...and America's needs (objectives) is the Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

PNAC

PNAC is a right wing think tank that heavily influences the Republican Party. Now why this is significant to Iraq (or indeed the War on Terror) is explained in a famous article by Michael Meacher (ex-British Cabinet member, so equivilent to an ex-Presidency member)

This War On Terror Is Bogus

So, well done America, by taking out one of al-Qaida's enemies, you have succeeded at the same time in swelling their ranks, making your country, my country, and everybody else's country alot less safer...that certainly deserves a gold star!!

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Just one more reason for the rest of the world to hate us...

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm

quote:
"Yet few stop to ask the question of ends versus means. This dulling of conscience is another hidden price we pay for war. In Afghanistan, as in Serbia and the Persian Gulf, it all feels so effortless, so painless, and so right. Why bother to ask the moral questions? Since the price in U.S. lives is so small, why bother our consciences at all? Each war makes it easier to start the next war, with no questions asked and no bodies counted. But the question of ends and means will not disappear so easily. Should we carpet bomb every nation where human rights are violated? If so, we will be bombing -- and making enemies -- constantly, around the world. It is tempting to think every future war will be as easy as this one. Sooner or later, though, we will run into a seriously capable enemy, as we did in Vietnam. If we will not go to war against every brutal regime, how will we know when and where to start bombing? The U.S. ignored the Taliban’s horrendous violations for years. Our government accepted and even aided their rule, despite the pleas of women’s rights groups. Apparently we will make war on brutal regimes only when something else is at stake."

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Originally posted by Trancer-X
Just one more reason for the rest of the world to hate us...

http://www.cursor.org/stories/civilian_deaths.htm


How dare you be unpatriotic? You terrorist!!1

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Re: Iraq war swells al Qaeda ranks

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Originally posted by DaveSZ

I listened to Bush's speech in South Carolina and he felt that the war was justified despite whatever the intelligence said. I also watched a clip of him on the Daily Show saying essentially the same thing, and then lamenting his baseball team's loss in 1980. WTF?


I actually scoffed aloud. The people around me stared at me in disbelief as though I were doing an unjustice to the President by not agreeing with him. I started going off on how Bush is a hypocrite and the war cannot be justified because the original reason for going into the war were to be rid of WMD's and since it has been declared official that there are none.... eh, we know where this rant is going.

Dave, whatever shall we do?


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Re: Re: Iraq war swells al Qaeda ranks

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I actually scoffed aloud. The people around me stared at me in disbelief as though I were doing an unjustice to the President by not agreeing with him.



!?!?

Wow...umm....you wouldn't happened to be located in the south would you?

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So you claim the Iraqi war swelled the al-Queda ranks? What if the war never happened and Saddamn struck at America or the world at large with more carnage? Wouldn't that swell the ranks as well? Like being on a winning side? I think the terrorists need to be dealt with in terms they understand. Join the ranks and die as a martyr. Glad the Israelis waxed that Yassin f*cker. He was nothing more than an instigator and wanted noting more than Israel destroyed and an Islamic government instituted in it's place. What a f*cking devian to the peace process over there.


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