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DaveSZ
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A history prof of mine mentioned this, so I decided to do some more reading about the subject:


http://www.clamormagazine.org/featu....3_feature.html

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On April 19, 2001, President George W. Bush spent some of Holocaust Remembrance Day in the Capital Rotunda with holocaust survivors, allied veterans, and their families. In a ceremony that included Jewish prayers and songs sung by holocaust victims in the camps, Benjamin Meed, a survivor of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, movingly described to the gathering what he experienced on April 19, 1943.

"I stood outside a Catholic church, which faced the ghetto," Mr. Meed said, "a young Jewish boy posing as a gentile. As I watched the ghetto being bombarded by the German artillery, I could see many of the Jews of my community jumping out of windows of burning buildings. I stood long and mute."

The survivor concluded his reminiscence saying, "We tremble to think what could happen if we allow a new generation to arise ignorant of the tragedy which is still shaping the future."

President Bush, appearing almost uncomfortable, read a statement that said that humanity was "bound by conscience to remember what happened" and that "the record has been kept and preserved." The record, Mr. Bush stated, was that one of the worst acts of genocide in human history "came not from crude and uneducated men, but from men who regarded themselves as cultured and well schooled, modern men, forward looking. Their crime showed the world that evil can slip in and blend in amid the most civilized surroundings. In the end only conscience can stop it."

But while President Bush publicly embraced the community of holocaust survivors in Washington last spring, he and his family have been keeping a secret from them for over 50 years about Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather. According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor. In fact, President Bush himself is an heir to these profits from the holocaust which were placed in a blind trust in 1980 by his father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush.

Throughout the Bush family's decades of public life, the American press has gone out of its way to overlook one historical fact – that through Union Banking Corporation (UBC), Prescott Bush, and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, along with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, financed Adolf Hitler before and during World War II. It was first reported in 1994 by John Loftus and Mark Aarons in The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People.


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Prescott Bush was a traitor to this country, and had the blood of millions of Jews on his hands.


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But I am sure he has donated at least some of that money to survivors and veterans, right?


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Wow...good post. I wonder why the media hasn't made a bigger deal out of this. Oh wait, right, cause they're NOT supposed to keep the government in check...

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And I'm sure some of your relatives distant as they may be also did some hanous things, which may have benefited their survival, which may have helped you somewhere along the line...(like being born). I'm sure it's in my family history as well.

If you are going to hold a person that wasn't born accountable for the actions of their ancestors, then we should all be damned to the gates of hell for the actions of those we are related to.

This story is moot in my opinion...and just more propaganda for some people to follow because they don't have anything better to do.

...and I do condemn the great grandfather...I certainly don't agree with his actions or profits...but I don't blame his childrens child's child for this.


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I have several friends who's grandfathers could have very likely been the executionares of my grandfathers' families.


I can forgive them for being their grandchildren, I can't forgive there grandfathers however.


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If you dig deeper youl find that he's a decendent of "Longshanks"or "the hammer of the Scots" King Edward I.

Think this was posted already.

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While I am far from a Bush supporter I have to agree that this is not a big deal in any fashion other than as propaganda. Just as the Kerry is a war criminal stuff is propaganda.

Bush has done enough things in his own life that he is, in my opinion, not fit to be president. And over all I thought his father was an upstanding individual. If this was such an issue then it would have been more important to the former president's campaign than the current one's.

When you go looking for "bad press" you are going to find propaganda, sometimes mostly or wholly unfounded. It really saddens me to think that we are so bombarded by propaganda now that no one really cares to look for the pertinent and factual information.

Yoepus's take on it is fair IMHO, and he is affected by it more than I am.

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http://msn.ancestry.com/landing/msn.../bush3/tree.htm

Longshanks and Bush. Kickass!

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quote:
If you are going to hold a person that wasn't born accountable for the actions of their ancestors, then we should all be damned to
the gates of hell for the actions of those we are related to.


That's not the point. What IS the point is that the money resulting from this was put in a blind trust by his father in 1980, presumably to be used by Dubya (since he is a heir). If he knew where the money came from and used it or plans to use it, then he is to be held accountable (his dad of course is to be held accountable also). The point is not that his grand-father committed some bad deed and that we should blame Dubya for it. The point is that Dubya, if he knows where the money is coming from, and has used it or plans to use it for his own interests, rather than giving it back to survivors (for instance), should be held accountable.

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quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I have several friends who's grandfathers could have very likely been the executionares of my grandfathers' families.


I can forgive them for being their grandchildren, I can't forgive there grandfathers however.



Yes you're right. It's kind of like how my grandfather, who served in WWII, will never buy a Mitsubishi product as long as he lives, but the younger generations have moved on.

I do think, as the Florida Holocaust Museum president has said, that GWB should pay back that blood money to the Holocaust survivors though.


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Disturbing:

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After my years of service to this country in Korea, I always expected the president of the United States to stand by me against my persecutors.




I'd like to learn more about this case. W's got some splainin' to do imo:


http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.12.12/oped3.html

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Let Courts Give Closure To Holocaust Victims
By Simon Rozenkier
At the end of "Schindler's List," film director Steven Spielberg included footage of some of the surviving "Schindler Jews" he had portrayed in his movie. With their children and grandchildren, they placed stones on a grave in Israel.

Spielberg wanted to show that even though the Nazis killed 6 million Jews, they could never destroy the Jewish people. Jews have been fruitful, and our offspring are our hope and our future — the Jewish answer to those who tried to destroy us.

But children could never be my answer, because the Nazis took away my chance to have them. The Nazi doctors sterilized me with chemicals.

Those complicit in this crime against my humanity should be held accountable. For nearly a year, I have been fighting in court against the German pharmaceutical companies Bayer and Schering. Now that officials in the American government are trying to undermine my legal rights I am taking my case to the court of public opinion. I ask that my story be heard.

In Auschwitz my arm was tattooed with the number 143511. While waiting to be assigned to a work detail, I was approached by a Dr. Eduard Wirths, the chief doctor at Auschwitz. Because of my red hair and fair skin, he asked if I was a German Jew. He examined me and then told me to see the other doctors. I spent a few days at Auschwitz in Block 10, where I was given shots in my arm. I later learned that the pharmaceutical companies were experimenting with drugs to cure typhus. The shots made me very sick and I could do nothing but lay in the barracks.

I recovered and was sent to work at Monowitz, the I.G. Farben slave labor camp better known as Auschwitz III. I worked at Monowitz for a few months, carrying pipes that were used to build a big chemical plant. The conditions there were terrible. We were given one small meal of soup each day and were constantly beaten if we worked too slow or stopped to rest. I saw the Germans shoot workers too tired to go on, and I saw workers commit suicide by jumping on the electric fence that surrounded the work area.

I also saw civilians from I.G. Farben walking around inspecting the construction site and supervising work crews. They watched the soldiers beat us, they watched us slowly starve to death — and they did nothing to stop it.

One day I and about 20 younger inmates were told to take a truck from Monowitz back to the camp at Birkenau. Once there I was stopped by Dr. Horst Schumann, a Luftwaffe doctor, who examined me closely. He ordered the guards to take me to Dr. Josef Mengele — "Mengele will want to know why this Jew has reddish blond hair and blue eyes!", he said.

Birkenau was an unbelievable world, a place that normal human beings cannot begin to imagine. The stench of burning flesh hung in the air, living corpses straggled to make the morning line up, and beatings, shootings and hangings were daily occurrences.

I was taken to Mengele, who asked me how old I was. When I told him I was two years older than my age, he called me a liar and sent me to the family camp, also known as the "Gypsy camp." This is where families lived together. All the kids who were not immediately sent to the gas chambers lived in the family camp. I begged all of the doctors and nurses at the Gypsy camp to let me live to see my sister. They told me they would take care of me and I would see her again.

I lived in the Gypsy camp during the fall of 1943. One day I saw 50 Gypsy children taken from the camp in a truck by the S.S.; they never came back. The next day I saw 50 more Gypsy children taken away in a truck; again, they never returned. I knew that if the S.S. came back, I would be next.

And I was. The very next day Mengele sent me to the so-called "zoo camp," where I witnessed the most bizarre forms of torture ever devised by medical science.

The zoo camp was Mengele's personal laboratory at Birkenau. He was experimenting with twins and other inmates with congenital abnormalities. I spent time with many twins and watched as Mengele gave them injections. I saw them start to convulse, and then Mengele's cronies would kill them with a syringe to the heart. The twins were then taken to another room where they were dissected like laboratory rats. I saw a hunchback struggling to survive the day after his hump had been surgically removed; he didn't make it. I saw tables with multiple sets of eyeballs, and I saw one of my friends stripped naked and thrown into a pit filled with ice and water. The doctors measured his vital signs as he slowly froze to death.

Though Mengele was the most infamous of the Nazi doctors, he did not conduct his experiments alone. The operation included teams of doctors, nurses and medical technicians. Some of them were German, some were inmates and some came from I.G. Farben and other German companies. Several times each week cars would arrive with civilian doctors and medical technicians. We called them "cowboys" because of the fedoras they wore. They brought attache cases and would observe or participate in the experiments and take notes to use in their laboratories or write reports.

These "cowboys" were the men from the pharmaceutical companies working with Mengele. I will never forget them. They studied me for a month after Schumman, the Luftwaffe doctor, injected my genitals day after day with some poison. I was fed buckwheat to keep me strong so that the test results would be accurate. At the time I was told I was being injected with vitamins to make me stronger. I cannot describe the pain and bleeding and suffering. I had no idea what they were doing, but the "cowboys" would come almost every day, watch the next round of injections and then examine me and make notes in their notebooks. I was their guinea pig.

After they finished injecting me, I was bedridden for a month. When I had partially healed, a Czech doctor in the camp named Magda noticed a truck being loaded with laborers for a coalmine. She pointed to me in my bed and said to Mengele, "You are finished with him?" Mengele glanced at me and said "Do what you want with him." Magda came to me and said "Simon, come quickly and get to that truck."

I could barely walk, but I knew that this was my only chance to escape more torture. I walked lamely to the truck, but couldn't pull myself up into the back. Finally, some of the inmates grabbed me and pulled me in. We were sent to Javozno to mine coal for the Germans with our bare hands. Later, I was assigned to work on a construction project in Javozno for the Bayer division of I.G. Farben — the same company whose "cowboys" observed me being experimented upon.

Bombing forced us to leave. I joined what became known as the Buchenwald death march. By the time I reached Buchenwald, I was exhausted and very weak from dysentery. I was taken to a clinic and treated by German doctors who were expecting the Americans to be arriving any day. Within a few weeks the American 7th Army liberated Buchenwald. I will never forget that day.

In 1953 I got married and tried to start a family. I felt deeply the need to fulfill a promise I had made to my brother Aaron when I met him after the war, that we would both do our best to replenish the family tree. But my wife and I struggled to have children and nothing seemed to work.

Finally, remembering my ordeal in Birkenau, I contacted the German consulate in New York, asking whether anything that happened in the camp caused me to be sterile. After reviewing my file the German government advised me to have a biopsy in 1956 by its own doctors to determine if I had been sterilized at Birkenau. I scheduled an appointment with Dr. Kurt Cronheim in New York's Harlem Hospital. He told me while he was examining me that he had been a captain in the Waffen S.S. I almost ran out of the room. My wife slept in the room all night to make sure I was safe. The Germans never disclosed the results of that biopsy until my lawyers obtained secret files from the German Finance Ministry nearly 50 years later. The report confirmed that I had been sterilized by the Nazis.

After the war the American judges at the Nuremberg trials convicted 12 of I.G. Farben's highest officials as war criminals. General Dwight Eisenhower personally ordered that I.G. Farben be dismantled "as one means of assuring world peace." So it was broken up into its constituent parts, Bayer, BASF and Hoechst. The allies placed a moratorium on individual lawsuits against Nazi companies that only expired in 1991. Less than a decade later, the parties to the restitution negotiations agreed to "legal peace" for the German companies — but that "legal peace" did not preclude my law case against Bayer and Schering.

After my years of service to this country in Korea, I always expected the president of the United States to stand by me against my persecutors. I never realized that Prescott Bush, President Bush's grandfather, made a fortune on Wall Street during the 1930s selling war bonds for Nazi Germany and "cloaking" American assets owned by German companies. Now I understand why the Bush administration is urging the presiding judge to dismiss my case and placing legal closure for corporate perpetrators ahead of moral and financial closure for victims of the Holocaust. The apple never falls far from the tree.


Simon Rozenkier, a veteran of the Korean War, is suing Bayer and Schering for complicity in medical experiments performed on him by the Nazis.


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Re: Disturbing:

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I'd like to learn more about this case. W's got some splainin' to do imo:


http://www.forward.com/issues/2003/03.12.12/oped3.html


I don't see why it can't be possible for him to recover in 10 years and then go fight for the U.S. in Korea. I mean, he'd be dead if the U.S. didn't liberate his camp, so maybe he felt he owed them something in return.

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