While I am certainly not one of these rabid anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian or pro-Israeli anti-Palestinian believers, I certainly don't like the sound of this alleged agreement. It stinks of direct U.S. involvement in sanctioning Israeli policies which only adds to the opinion about U.S. involvment in the region. When will the government of my nation learn. If this "policy" is true then I am sorely disappointed at this stance taken.

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IMO, Israel should either pull out of the West Bank or treat it exactly the same as Israel (ie give the people there the right to vote in the Israeli elections)

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Originally posted by George Smiley IMO, Israel should either pull out of the West Bank or treat it exactly the same as Israel (ie give the people there the right to vote in the Israeli elections)

Yes, I'm also in favor of a unified democracy.

One man one vote!

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Originally posted by DaveSZ Yes, I'm also in favor of a unified democracy. One man one vote!

There is just one little slight problem with that tho...

If Israel were to annex the West Bank and Gaza (creating the Geater Israel) and gave the Arabs that lived there equal democratic rights as it gives to the rest of its citizes, then the Jewish state would no longer exist! I'm not sure how many Arabs there are total in Israel and the occupied territories, but I'm fairly sure the Jews would no longer make up an overwhelming majority in the population, and more importantly, in Parliement...

I dont think Israel would allow the above situation to happen, so continuing the occupation whilest at the same time not allowing the Palestinians the same democratic rights as Israelis is their best solution - they keep the West Bank and Gaza and keep the Jewish majority in politics!

I think it's a stupid move by Sharon - Bush may not be in power for that much longer, and I have a feeling that the next-in-office is going to be doing a lot of backpedaling on Bush's policies.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I think it's a stupid move by Sharon - Bush may not be in power for that much longer, and I have a feeling that the next-in-office is going to be doing a lot of backpedaling on Bush's policies.

To be perfectly honest, I dont really expect Kerry to be much different to Bush in support for Israel, in fact, I always thought that if any party, it would be the Republicans who could afford to take a tougher line on Israel than the Democrats

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Originally posted by DaveSZ

Ahh this is excellent news!







... to be honest though, if anyone thinks such a think actually will happen it will be done only for political reasons.
Second, I don't see how Bush declearing that Israel musn't pull out of all the West Bank is different than what has been the defacto US policy for the bast 30+ years. So excuse me if this is more media hupplah than substance.
Third, since when has Bush ever kept his word

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Originally posted by George Smiley There is just one little slight problem with that tho...

Not really just a 'slight' problem than eh?

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If Israel were to annex the West Bank and Gaza (creating the Geater Israel) and gave the Arabs that lived there equal democratic rights as it gives to the rest of its citizes, then the Jewish state would no longer exist! I'm not sure how many Arabs there are total in Israel and the occupied territories, but I'm fairly sure the Jews would no longer make up an overwhelming majority in the population, and more importantly, in Parliement... I dont think Israel would allow the above situation to happen, so continuing the occupation whilest at the same time not allowing the Palestinians the same democratic rights as Israelis is their best solution - they keep the West Bank and Gaza and keep the Jewish majority in politics!

If Israel were to Annex the West Bank and Gaza just as you wish, but not now, and instead in 1967 or a couple years later like the Israeli hawks wanted you would have Arabs living happy in prospertiy and peace as Israeli Arabs, and Jews not having to fear for their numbers or a lose of their nation.

Of course you do realize the 'same type' of people as you were against that back than, because the 'same type' of people as me were for it

Of course has the "hawk" philosophy provailed there would probably never have been any Palestinian issue, and Israel would be living at peace at least with in its "greater" borders. And most likelys till enjoying peace with Egypt and Jordan.

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