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Pheobius
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just thinking

I posted a topic here a while ago, perhaps a year or so but i've been thinking about the same thing again.

I tried doing the whole DJing thing using decks, i suppose i never really gave it enough effort but i never excelled at it and my short lived fantasies about becoming a superstar DJ vanished.

When i bought my computer for university i decided to get some DJing software to mess around on. I found it a hell of a lot easier to beatmatch (even without auto beatmatching) and it wasn't long before i could pull off what technically a perfectly acceptable set, two hours without any faults audible. I understand that my track selection is not very good and that in a club circumstance selecting tracks is a whole different kettle of fish but otherwise nothing was wrong.

I find myself thinking why, if it can be learnt in a handful of months, and pulled off with far more presicion than more manual types of mixing, and allows far more flexibility and options without a tonne of expensive hardware, why is software mixing not taking over from hardware mixing?

Before the obvious and dogmatic responses such as 'I wouldn't pay to see someone mix on a computer' 'I would be very disappointed paying $/£blah for someone not using decks' 'Software mixing will never be as personal' 'decks are just better' etc etc etc just think about it.

With the very high amount of skill a professional DJ requires put to use, insteasd of mundain standard types of tasks such as betmatch and mixing, could be put to use in other areas. E.g. more expert track selection, sampling other tracks and live bootlegging (in effect), looping to create new remixes live in club. Isn't that a more personal and worthwhile use of a DJ's skills?

I've always admired true hip hop (such as DJ Yoda) for being much more spontaneous and imaginative. I (kind of) learnt to mix at the same time as someone in my art class who span hip hop. The kind of stuff he mixed in was amazing e.g. 'bedtime stories for rainy days' beatles tracks, reggae, all manner of urban music, as well as sampling soundbites from TV, movies and such. I found listening to his mix tapes (even though i'm not a huge fan of the genre) because of the spontinaity (thats spelt incorrectly) they possessed.

What if that could be effectively transferred into the genre of trance? I go to my local club (deniro's in Newmarket if anyone knows it) and they play the same shit constantly. You never know if the stuff they'll play will be good or not, but one thing you are sure of is that they'll play record after record, doing nothing i could recreate on a home stereo (well, not that bad, it is mixed). Is it so wrong to ask for something different each week? I'm sure their probably are things like this out there somewhere but the fact remains, no matter how good a DJ set is, its just a list of tracks beatmatched. With software mixing a DJ would be free to do this kind of thing, making each set, not a list but a work of art. Don't the paying public deserve the best a DJ can provide?

Well, thats my 2 cents, what do you guys think?


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dats alot of reading


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well, there are a handfull using software

have you seen PvD and his mac lately?

the sofware is def getting more popular. I think that people stick with vinyls because of the sound quality, often sound files are lossy and stuff, somtimes computers can lag and the sound will stutter and i imagine DJ's won't stand for computer hiccups fucking up their sets. And of course with turntables u can use yer hands to get the sounds lined up the way u want em instead of mouse clicking and fidgeting with windows and stuff. If i were a pro dj, i wouldnt risk using lotsa DJ programs out there, but finalscratch would be really cool to have.

Then there is the whole issue of song availability, if songs are released on vinyl you might get an mp3, but if u need it for club play then how do u get the song from the record to yer program? u need expensive recording stuff i imagine



hope that helps

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Pheobius
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I agree sound quality CAN be an issue, but most of the better mixing software accepts higher quality files (is .ogg one of them, i don't pretend to know a huge amount beyond .wav and that sort of stuff)


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Pheobius
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plus the fact that the equipment to rip vinyl is not really required for someone to begin to learn software mixing. Plus the fact that it can skip and stuff is not alien to decks exactly is it? all problems of this kind will be ironed out in the near future. I like the idea of final scratch but it is a bit of a halfway house, not really either manual or software mixing and although i haven't had experience with it i can't see how is benefits from being either


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although I myself i'm a vinyl dj, i still love the concept of Computer mixing. It's just another way of technology catching up to the times. I've seen BT do his laptop symphony amd it was great. But what really turns me on to dj'ing is the whole collecting vinyl thing, myself i'm a junkie. i'll buy a Spice Girls record for 2 bucks just because... you can't get that "vinyl-junkie joy" while useing a computer.


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well, if vinyl werent the standard then i would understand why ppl wouldnt use it because of it's inherent problems. And the issue isnt that the software cant play the higher quality sounds, its that DJ's might have trouble obtaining the files to play. I think it would be really awesome for vinyls and technics to get replaced by software, but i wouldnt want it to happen unless it was unmistakably superior, It would be nice because people would start realising that DJ'ing was just a man messing with a computer and it might even stop the nasty hero-icon worship and get the people focusing on music more and all the wonderful stuff. I like final scratch cuz you arent limited to that mouse and just one little cursor that you have to move around everywhere, u can acutally touch 2 things at once with it and stuff like that, software limits u to doing 1 thing at a time otherwise. I jsut hope it doesnt mean were all gonna have to listen to 128k mp3s from some kid who is making the computer do all the mixing for him.

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I Just Finished Reading "Last Night A Dj Saved My Life"
greatest book i've ever read. Made me realize the true meanings of being a dj and I think Vinyl and Decks will always be apart of the culture... well until we can make vinyl anymore because of enviromental issues.


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Registered: Nov 2002
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a question worth throwing over to the dj promotion forum.

i saw BT with his "laptop symphony". wasn't impressed.

there's nothing like watching a dj shuffling through his folder, grabbing a vinyl/cd-r from his bag of tunes and throwing it on the turntable imo. or holding up that mega record to the crowd before/after banging it out.

it's all part of the performance.

just can't do it with software on a notebook.


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Pheobius
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that might be a good thing, think of what you could experience if the visuals were the sole responsibilty of a dedicated VJ.


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