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St_Andrew
I <3 NYC
Registered: May 2003
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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DrUg_Tit0
e^(i*pi)+1=0
Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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Re: creation vs. evolution
| quote: | Originally posted by Electronicmaji
as per request of artic im starting a thread here in the political discussion forum I started this thread so um the other thread we were debating in wouldnt close down...ok basic intelligent debate...I post in a forum about main theology if you want to take a real serious debate route they have special debate rooms with special rules for intelligent debate.. |
I assure you, we're quite capable of having an intelligent debate here, more than you seem to realize.
| quote: | | Id prefer if you dont curse during this debate please...but I knew the minute I posted that you would probably dissaprove my source I have plenty of others I can use if needed. |
Maybe because your source attempts to circumnavigate the issue and equalize biblical verses with hard evidence?
| quote: | | well show me the proof that %99 of biologists being evolutionists and I contest to the fact it does make sense just not from a evolutional stand point. And for the part about creationism not having a hyphothesis ..it does several...YEC..OEC..many more... |
Maybe the fact that there hasn't been a serious paper on creationism written in the last 50 years is proof enough? I haven't found any percentages in a quick google search, except that 45% of the americans still believe in creationism. That figure should be cut at least ten fold if we consider scientists only and again if we narrow ourselves to biologists. Now considering that the US scientific population hardly makes more than 10% of the global population, as well as that creationism is not an issue in any country with a reasonable amount of scientists except the US, we can easily conclude that your percentages are way more mistaken than arctic's.
| quote: | | Again facts are all about interpretation and misinterpretation either way such facts as carbon dating have been dissaproved..do you know that carbon dating only works to about 6000 years ago and any difference in radiation caused by magnetic changes eathqaukes, natural disasters etc... change the timing? |
Yes, and you're clearly the one who's misinterpreting the facts. Carbon 14 has a half-life of 6000 years, meaning that 1/2 of it will decay in 6000 years. But if you go back in time for 6000 more years, 1/2 of that 1/2 will decay, and you'll have only 1/4 of carbon left. So you're totally missed the notion of half life. It can be used indefinitely. Natural disasters, earthquakes, and magnetic changes do not interact with half life timing. The only thing that interacts is exposure to high energy particles. Do you even know how carbon dating works? High energy particles, mainly cosmic rays, create C14 in the upper portions of the atmosphere, which then spreads evenly through it. When living beings inhale C14, it gets stored in their organisms. Once they stop breathing, C14 stops accumulating and starts decaying. Every 6000 years, the amount of C14 in their bodies is decreased by 1/2.
| quote: | | what is not science is evolution...for something to be science it has to be able to be observed and we have never observed something evolve...we have observed things being created thought.... |
Actually, we have observed several cases of evolution. Nylon eating bacteria, darkened moths in english industrial cities, worms populations who became unable to interbreed after a short but controlled separation.
On the other hand, I'd really like you to say what we have seen has been created out of nothing by some sort of a divine intervention.
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arctic
Teh Pwn
Registered: Oct 2002
Location: Australia
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Apr-13-2004 20:38 
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