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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Again, you "liberal" europeans show your love of censorship: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=180326 As you can plainly see, opinions are suppressed on this "trance" web-site. All this time I thought people that listened to trance would be more open-minded about free speech, but I guess not.

This was "suppressed" because your "opinion" on the matter was extremely off-base and insulting, not to mention unsubstantiated and far-reaching without merit or support.

IOW, it was fucking idiotic of you to post it. You should have thought about your ridiculous and unfounded correlation between the 9/11 deaths and Iraqi prisoners being tortured prior to your posting it.

It is further idiotic of you to post a new thread on a thread that was closed as a result of your idiocy. I surmise the mods. will intervene pretty soon here, and I would also surmise they will give you a fair warning before performing similar acts in the future, if they have not already done so. I certainly don't speak for them, but they have been shown to be pretty wise and consistent on similar matters in the past.

So, time to be a good "grown-up", stop whining, get over it, and try to make stronger arguments in the future.

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It is your opinion that my argument was off base.

I made the thread because I wanted to make a point that all we've heard about for the last week straight is about the Iraqi prisoneer abuse and I only wish the liberal media would give as much attention to the abuses done to the US and it's citizens or for that matter what Saddam did to millions of his citizens.

It was the same exact argument that Joe Scarborogh made on Scarborogh country last night on msnbc. I don't see him getting censored...

Opus, if you are an American you need to start sticking up for us, it's people like the ones on this web-board that are attacking us, not with bombs, but propoganda. You need to stand up and join me in defending our country because this anti-American propoganda is killing our fellow countryman.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen It is your opinion that my argument was off base. I made the thread because I wanted to make a point that all we've heard about for the last week straight is about the Iraqi prisoneer abuse and I only wish the liberal media would give as much attention to the abuses done to the US and it's citizens or for that matter what Saddam did to millions of his citizens. It was the same exact argument that Joe Scarborogh made on Scarborogh country last night on msnbc. I don't see him getting censored...

Putting the argument of Saddam vs. US torture aside for a moment, this is not the same argument your pictures of 9/11 implies in your previous thread. So without rehashing my point about an unsubstantiated connection between 9/11 deaths and Saddam, perhaps you could enlighten me on just exactly what you meant by posting 9/11 deaths vs. a number of U.S. military and private contractors torturing Iraqi prisoners.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Opus, if you are an American you need to start sticking up for us, it's people like the ones on this web-board that are attacking us, not with bombs, but propoganda. You need to stand up and join me in defending our country because this anti-American propoganda is killing our fellow countryman.

Us and them
Good and bad
"Defending your country"

Yeah your totally making yourself sound better and more resonable.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Opus, if you are an American you need to start sticking up for us, it's people like the ones on this web-board that are attacking us, not with bombs, but propoganda. You need to stand up and join me in defending our country because this anti-American propoganda is killing our fellow countryman.

What is more anti-American?

1. Military and private contractors deliberately stooping down to the level of terrorists by torturing Iraqi prisoners

-or-

2. Having that darned "liberal" media expose such atrocities as well as expose Administration officials like Rumsfeld deliberately withholding such vital info. from Congress as well as the President, not to mention the failure of our Joint Chief of Staff in the Pentagon not see the important 53-page memo about these atrocities?

By seeing the actions of those torturers involved, I just don't know how much more un-American you can get. How on earth could you possibly think otherwise?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Putting the argument of Saddam vs. US torture aside for a moment, this is not the same argument your pictures of 9/11 implies in your previous thread. So without rehashing my point about an unsubstantiated connection between 9/11 deaths and Saddam, perhaps you could enlighten me on just exactly what you meant by posting 9/11 deaths vs. a number of U.S. military and private contractors torturing Iraqi prisoners.

Ok, maybe my point wasn't clear. Sorry for the confusion, what I meant was to show a satire about how the media and masses blast us with these Iraqi prisoner abuse with front page headlines for 7 days straight, yet even the 9/11 jumpers got less press coverage. How often have you seen front page headlines with pictures showing Saddam's tourture men rape a woman and kill her in front of her family? How about the Cole bombing? I think it was talked about for about 2 days total. Um, the Madrid bombings, I only saw it on the news for about three days and even then they censored the pictures. The media is biased against the United States, that was my point.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 What is more anti-American? 1. Military and private contractors deliberately stooping down to the level of terrorists by torturing Iraqi prisoners -or- 2. Having that darned "liberal" media expose such atrocities as well as expose Administration officials like Rumsfeld deliberately withholding such vital info. from Congress as well as the President, not to mention the failure of our Joint Chief of Staff in the Pentagon not see the important 53-page memo about these atrocities? By seeing the actions of those torturers involved, I just don't know how much more un-American you can get. How on earth could you possibly think otherwise?

Those are both extremely Anti-american ideals. But. Don't you get it, it's people like Dervish that see these headlines and use it as fuel to add to their anti-American fire.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Those are both extremely Anti-american ideals. But. Don't you get it, it's people like Dervish that see these headlines and use it as fuel to add to their anti-American fire.

I'm not anti-american atall.

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Ok, maybe my point wasn't clear. Sorry for the confusion, what I meant was to show a satire about how the media and masses blast us with these Iraqi prisoner abuse with front page headlines for 7 days straight, yet even the 9/11 jumpers got less press coverage. How often have you seen front page headlines with pictures showing Saddam's tourture men rape a woman and kill her in front of her family? How about the Cole bombing? I think it was talked about for about 2 days total. Um, the Madrid bombings, I only saw it on the news for about three days and even then they censored the pictures. The media is biased against the United States, that was my point.

I can't tell you how often I saw those pictures of people jumping on 9/11. Those pictures were in the news a helluva lot, so where were you?

As for the Madrid and Cole bombings, I believe they were talked about a great deal more than you are attempting to persuade. I certainly recall seeing the Madrid coverage for at least a week or two, as well as the pictures of the dead and injured. Again, where were you?

The reason why the media is latching onto these pictures is pretty simple: it's unbelievable that Americans, let alone military men and women would act in such a way. The public wants so badly to hold themselves to such high standards. It is my assertion that this is the very essence why the public does not want to believe in a great many misleading actions this current Administration has done, but I digress. The important fact of the matter is these actions are completely un-American, as you yourself agree to, and it is quite sensational to cover.

Furthermore, it is becoming all too evident just how scandalous this is, and much more will be revealed in the coming days and weeks as they follow up the chain as to just how far this miscommunication/willful ignorance has gone. To drive home the message of just how scandalous this is, the media is going to jump all over it with as much sensationalism as possible. Is that the right thing to do? In my opinion, absolutely, because it was the MEDIA itself that broke the story to the public, not the Administration itself. Are the pictures getting too much playing time? Perhaps, but sheesh, it is hardly "liberal" minded to do so.

How many times did you hear about Monica Lewinsky?

I've posted this before, but Bill Clinton's "draft dodging" received 13,641 major news stories during his election campaign, while GW Bush's desertion merit only 49 during his 2000 campaign. Is that a liberal slant in any way?

The media is hardly liberal, but it is sensationalistic. Like any business, it's after the $, and it's ratings through sensationalism are the means to that end.

And next time you post pictures of that sort to explain a symbolic message, please try explaining yourself a little better. They had multiple meanings, and as shown, some folks received the wrong impression (myself included).

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Ok, maybe my point wasn't clear. Sorry for the confusion, what I meant was to show a satire about how the media and masses blast us with these Iraqi prisoner abuse with front page headlines for 7 days straight, yet even the 9/11 jumpers got less press coverage. How often have you seen front page headlines with pictures showing Saddam's tourture men rape a woman and kill her in front of her family? How about the Cole bombing? I think it was talked about for about 2 days total. Um, the Madrid bombings, I only saw it on the news for about three days and even then they censored the pictures. The media is biased against the United States, that was my point.

Your point was far from clear!

hence that threads closure.

The media will blast us with what ever sells thier papers and whatever gets us tuned to thier news channel -
Sensationalism.

i hardly think the media is biased against any one person or any one country, they are biased to one thing - making money!

At the time of the terrible events at the WTC, the media was focused on the plight of America and the victims and victims familes and extremly biased against Turkey and Iraq and supported the following wars.
BUT as soon as an innocent victim gets killed in iraq or turkey the media is then covering that and biased against the countries involved in the conflicts.

The Media will always sensationalise whatever they think will sell.
They don't give a flying fuck for the ppl involved in the news they tell.

Two of my pet hates - The Media & Religion
I would love to see Honest Journalism and a Religion that helps more people than it harms but that is just a dream that shall never come true.

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