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Blue Balls
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Iraq Check Points

Did you know that check point areas on Iraq roads are not known by Iraqi drivers. No signs. No warnings.


Standard protcol that American Soliders use to warn or signal a check point is to shoot in the air upon the oncoming car/traffic. If the car does not stop or slow down after the 'warning' shot, soliders are advised to shot the car and/or the driver.



I did not beleive this myself until I saw this practice on TV!
I was watching a PBS documentary on the war in Iraq and they showed numerous american solider doing this at various check points.


My personaly reaction was ' Wow I can't believe they spent 80 billion dollars on this war but could not buy road signs that say in the Iraqi language WARNING CHECK POINT AHEAD SLOW DOWN etc. or something you would typically see on road to warn drivers to slow down etc.'


Are these people in the army that fucking stupid. Seriously. What if you were an Iraqi driving your car. how the fuck are they supposed to know that gun fire means slow down or stop!!!



Recently , an Italian CIA agent was killed because of this STUPID policy that the American Army is using at check points.



I guess the stupidity in the white house has manifested itself on the battle feild. Amazing!


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umm I don't mean to mellow your harsh over here, but if the checkpoints were annouced wouldn't terrorist simply go around?


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If it's true that they arn't sign posted I'd say it's a slightly silly way of doing it.


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Car bombers would just drive around the checkpoints if they were advertised.

This is what happened with that Italian journalist and her dumbass driver. They drove right through a checkpoint... and subsequently got their asses lit up.

Shit happens. It's war.


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Yeah shit happens, if you make it happen.

Your driving along in your car you get shot at, your in Iraq(not a very nice place). You've no idea whats happening (no sign posts). What do you do? Maybe you do see it's American troops(for all you know they actually do want to kill you), maybe you stop. Two maybes there, 9 out of 10 times maybe it'll go ok, but that 10th time you've just killed someone for no reason.

I get your point about people ducking out of line, but bearing in mind if it is a car bomb it'll drive up and blow up in the troops faces maybe it's better. The area being protected remains so. One nutter gets spooked and looses face.

Basicly I don't think the ends justify the means.


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quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
umm I don't mean to mellow your harsh over here, but if the checkpoints were annouced wouldn't terrorist simply go around?



Maybe 1 out of every 1000 cars has a bomb. It would be safer for the general public if they posted a sign that said ' WARNING CHECK POINT AHEAD' than another sign informing the driver to ' SLOW SPEED TO 5 MPH' than another sign informing the driver to ' STOP ' If cars don't obey the signs than go ahead and shoot at it.

These signs should be mobile so that random check points can be established at any given moment.



The whole point is how you plan to 'set up' the check point area ( which should be random in nature but organized). I think signs telling the driver what to do is optimal to gun fire.


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If terrorists want to find a check point, all they got to do is drive around. Its not like there hard to find anyways.
And the signs should be up for the publics sake!


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If terrorists want to find a check point, all they got to do is drive around. Its not like there hard to find anyways.
And the signs should be up for the publics sake!


well, its not really easy to drive around if you dont have any roads going any other way

also, if you want to avoid the checkpoints, its just to have another car driving infront of you and if he see a checkpoint he will just contact you. Random checkpoints must be so easy to avoid.

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Originally posted by wwu.punisher
Car bombers would just drive around the checkpoints if they were advertised.

This is what happened with that Italian journalist and her dumbass driver. They drove right through a checkpoint... and subsequently got their asses lit up.

Shit happens. It's war.

What check point?

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Why the fuck dont they just use there hands? like cops do?

of all the ways to do, firing in the air is the stupidest one they could of come up with.

But, being the American army, thats hardly suprising!


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Iraq update. Why the troops should be pulled out, unless ofcourse this administrations intrested increasing the threat of terrorism.

quote:

Iraq: U.S. Checkpoints Continue to Kill

The failure of U.S. forces in Iraq to implement basic precautions at checkpoints has led to unnecessary deaths of civilians two years after these inadequacies were identified, Human Rights Watch said today.


quote:

" The military should immediately take the basic steps to ensure that Iraqi civilians, as well as U.S. soldiers, are safe at checkpoints. The fact that soldiers who man checkpoints are at real risk is not an excuse for complacency. These risks should not be transferred to civilians. "

-Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch


source: Human Rights Watch

quote:

U.S.: Abu Ghraib Only the “Tip of the Iceberg”

The crimes at Abu Ghraib are part of a larger pattern of abuses against Muslim detainees around the world, Human Rights Watch said on the eve of the April 28 anniversary of the first pictures of U.S. soldiers brutalizing prisoners at the Iraqi jail.



source: Human Rights Watch


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