Hi,

Lately many users here at TA have posted disturbing remarks on Reason, a product developed by propellerheads. In the past, TA users have posted test results of what happens if an Wav file is imported into Reason. The results was that Reason isn't accurate above 18khz. But this doesn't mean that the sound will be bad because "professionals" cutoff any frequencies above 14khz. So you'll get the same results if professionals would use the program. ( Just grap a CD and analyse the frequencies. )


What I propose is to post a couple of small samples. Run the samples in reason and export it. The original samples and the samples from reason must be normalised ( reason version and the original, because of the -3db overhead of Reason )

Then we can all hear if there is a difference or not.

Greetings,

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Last edited by The Designer on Jun-14-2004 at 23:16

thank you sales rep @ Propellarheads headquarters

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 thank you sales rep @ Propellarheads headquarters

am actually supporting this idea, i do wanne hear for once the difference that people talk about.

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Originally posted by Octanesyco Greetings. My name is Casey. You can call me Moose. -Moose

i second that..

would be very interested in hearing the results.. as an avid reason user

You'll never notice the difference with individual samples... the mixdown is the key.

Not that I've used Reason but have avoided it after hearing alot of tracks made using it... may be down to the artists themselves but all the ones i've heard seem to be weak in the bass department and too tinny, almost bare sounding, with an overall erm, reasony feel, can't describe it.

thats because reason tracks all sound like reason tracks...... ever wonderd why airbase tracks allways have almost the same feel to everyone..... reasons not bad just lacks due to the fact you cant use vstis make reason vsti compatible without having to rewire and maybe itd be a better program...... i would like to see the comparsin i think itd be very intresting..... reason tracks are reason tracks fuck the artist bottom line if its done in reason alone itll allways sound like a reason track.... Fruity Loops 2.5 4 LIFE
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I actually noticed the difference when I first tried Reason 2.5...I noticed like a "low-fiish sound to it. If somebody provides me an e-mail address and hosts the file, I would be more willing to help the cause. It actually sounds different (better) when exported through Cubase SX.

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Originally posted by The Designer Hi, Lately many users here at TA have posted disturbing remarks on Reason, a product developed by propellerheads. In the past, TA users have posted test results of what happens if an Wav file is imported into Reason. The results was that Reason isn't accurate above 18khz. But this doesn't mean that the sound will be bad because "professionals" cutoff any frequencies above 14khz. So you'll get the same results if professionals would use the program. ( Just grap a CD and analyse the frequencies. )

now where the hell did you hear that? check your source again. that is complete nonsense. they may turn it down a little, but it is still present in every piece of music material.

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What I propose is to post a couple of small samples. Run the samples in reason and export it. The original samples and the samples from reason must be normalised ( reason version and the original, because of the -3db overhead of Reason ) Then we can all hear if there is a difference or not. Greetings,

what samples? anyone can tailor the samples to justify their point.
someone pro-reason might easily choose samples in which that difference will not be either visible nor audible, and a contra-reason person might choose the samples in which that difference is visible.
the difference will be, if i recall correctly, most visible in these examples:
1) make a square wave sample at 440 Hz (note a1), and play it in reason sampler and some other samplers (vst/dxi/whatever) and record the results, then compare it
2)play the standard c major scale with that same square sample in all those samplers, record the wave, and compare.

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Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ thats because reason tracks all sound like reason tracks...... ever wonderd why airbase tracks allways have almost the same feel to everyone..... reasons not bad just lacks due to the fact you cant use vstis make reason vsti compatible without having to rewire and maybe itd be a better program...... i would like to see the comparsin i think itd be very intresting..... reason tracks are reason tracks fuck the artist bottom line if its done in reason alone itll allways sound like a reason track.... Fruity Loops 2.5 4 LIFE Enter HAHAHAHA

Isn't that because you KNOW that these tracks have been made in Reason??? Maybe it's a psychological aspect..... If you know what i mean..

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Originally posted by TranceZoner Isn't that because you KNOW that these tracks have been made in Reason??? Maybe it's a psychological aspect..... If you know what i mean.. Cheers

I have been listening to Filo & Peri, Envio, Robert Nickson, Subsphere etc. and alot of those hyped Reason producers, and I must say their music gives me nothing, I didn`t know why and what was wrong woth the tracks they made, but I figured, it is that cheap regressive Reason sound that does it.. it is just the sound of it.. no offence to the mentioned above..

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Originally posted by Subtle I have been listening to Filo & Peri, Envio, Robert Nickson, Subsphere etc. and alot of those hyped Reason producers, and I must say their music gives me nothing, I didn`t know why and what was wrong woth the tracks they made, but I figured, it is that cheap regressive Reason sound that does it.. it is just the sound of it.. no offence to the mentioned above..

Say what you want, but IMO Envio, Robert Nickson haven't got that so called 'Reason feeling' to it, that some of you are talking about here.... Furthermore, i thought that Robert Nickson used Logic mainly....

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filo and peri`s use logic and bunch of hardware. how can you say their productions ound reason`ish?? can you please define "reason`ish" for me pls?

afaik, nickson uses reason and most of his tracks barely have the reason`ish sound... his best work is fallback. however you can tell if its softsynth,,, that's a given. although 'fallback' sounds far from it!

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