Okay this might be a tough question buts its not going to be a poll i want some real answers.
Whats worse?
September 11, 2001
or
all the people dying in Africa every day

I feel sorry for everyone who lost somebody or knows anyone who lost somebody that day but isnt the whole situation in Africa just way more screwed up?
Thanks

Thats an easy one. They are equal, much like the Bali attacks, the train attacks in Spain, or the genocide of the Jews in WWII.

Both are unprovoked attacks on innocent life. If you go by numbers alone however then Africa is worse because losses there have been in the tens of millions but I don't think numbers really mean all that much. How many people have to die for something to be important?

And yes the situation is appalling and the conditions they live in is appalling and what is even moreso is that their own government won't step in to stop it. That is where the difference lies. On 9/11 we were attacked from an outside force whereas in Sudan two inside the country factions are fighting with the Arab militia killing people. To me the government needs to step up or be help accountable and sanctions mean very little as the people who are being affected are already beyond poor and on the verge of starvation. A force needs to go there and stop the militia and it should contain forces other than from the US.

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The problems in Africa seem worse because the governments in the western world aren't taking any noticable action against it unlike the september 11th disaster where an immediate world wide effort was introduced to try and wipe out the people who caused the attack.

Actually even after September 11th the world really did little in terms of military force. The vast majority of troops in Afghanistan were American and not a worldly force in terms of equal numbers. Small peacekeeping forces from NATO are now in the country. Even so remember it took a few months to even get anything started in Afghanistan after 9/11. It is a big strategic challenge to move forces across a globe and work out plans etc. You also really can't compare this to 9/11 because this issue isn't a global one like terrorism, it is confined to a single location on the globe (and in theory this would make it easier to stop the problem)

I think with Darfur countries are hesitant of acting militarily alone because they don't want to be seen as a US going into Iraq by other countries and the UN won't send in a war force. The countries met today to discuss sanctions but as I wrote before I think this doesn't help much.

In any case the UN hasn't exactly been known to help in crisis in the world. They haven't helped in iraq when saddam was in power, when kuwait was attacked, with north korea's killing of innocents, with the palestinian crisis, or with any African crisis. They are more of an aid organization than a peace force as many people would like to see them as.

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Originally posted by vswede Okay this might be a tough question buts its not going to be a poll i want some real answers. Whats worse? September 11, 2001 or all the people dying in Africa every day I feel sorry for everyone who lost somebody or knows anyone who lost somebody that day but isnt the whole situation in Africa just way more screwed up? Thanks

General question. Can't relate the two. One was a one day event, very coordinated, I must say, by a group of people that we're now pretty familiar with. And the other is a non-stop battle. What people in Africa are we talking about? Stupid mind. The thing is, when the deaths are spread apart, even if they are continuous, it doesn't get much attention. But if there is a massive number of deaths in one event, no matter where in the world it happens, it's bound to get some attention. So you ask what is worse, well, today the 11th of sept. is just a memory to me, as it is too many or most around the world. Africa is worse just because it doesn't stop.

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whats worse

disease or starvation?

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kill one innocent person, you might as kill all of humanity.

Either the attacks on the US, or the genocide in Africa. They're all equally as bad as eachother.

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Originally posted by Dupz kill one innocent person, you might as kill all of humanity. Either the attacks on the US, or the genocide in Africa. They're all equally as bad as eachother.

agree...all innocent deaths are equal...the media and the money is where the hype is.

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you cant compare the two. both are horrible, just one is more known about here where i live. i wonder why? i looove media!



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Thing is, Media doesn't spend alot of time on it because it's like something that happens everyday in all Africa.

We consider it normal now days(ya you can say no, but what are you doing about it?) that people die in Africa, that there are alot of diseases there, alot of starvation etc.

So people don't spend alot of attention on it, compare this to Isreal, a bomb goes off in a bus, it comes once on the news here in holland, but ya thats it, we are all like..it happens.

Now 9/11 was totally unexpected, and thats why 9/11 looks worse but ya it's equally worse, they are just both different things, but the outcome is the same...Death.

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Originally posted by Matty V The problems in Africa seem worse because the governments in the western world aren't taking any noticable action against it unlike the september 11th disaster where an immediate world wide effort was introduced to try and wipe out the people who caused the attack.

this is sort of what i meant. 2.5 thousand die one day in New York this leads too war and everybody knows about it but in Africa everyday more then 2.5 thousand people die and its barely in the press.

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Originally posted by vswede this is sort of what i meant. 2.5 thousand die one day in New York this leads too war and everybody knows about it but in Africa everyday more then 2.5 thousand people die and its barely in the press.

Ya and when one president gets killed its a 'big thing' - yet everyday thousands of ordinary people die. Some even get shot and die.

Its a natural human emotion to care about someone a) you know or b) you can relate too better or c) is smarter, richer, and more popular than someone else.

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