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Navy: Kerry medals approved properly


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Navy's chief investigator concluded Friday that procedures were followed properly in the approval of Sen. John Kerry's Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart medals, according to an internal Navy memo.

Vice Adm. R.A. Route, the Navy inspector general, conducted the review of Kerry's Vietnam-ear military service awards at the request of Judicial Watch, a public interest group. The group has also asked for the release of additional records documenting the Democratic presidential candidate's military service.

Judicial Watch had requested in August that the Navy open an investigation of the matter, but Route said in an internal memo obtained by The Associated Press that he saw no reason for a full-scale probe.

"Our examination found that existing documentation regarding the Silver Star, Bronze Star and Purple Heart medals indicates the awards approval process was properly followed," Route wrote in the memo sent Friday to Navy Secretary Gordon England.

"In particular, the senior officers who awarded the medals were properly delegated authority to do so. In addition, we found that they correctly followed the procedures in place at the time for approving these awards."

Some veterans have challenged Kerry's version of the circumstances surrounding the incident that led to his Silver Star award for battlefield heroism, as well as his three Purple Heart medals.

The Silver Star was awarded for his actions in pursuit of enemy forces while commander of swift boat unit PCF-94 in Vietnam in February 1969.

Judicial Watch also asked the Navy inspector general to investigate Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam and left active duty.

The group's president, Tom Fitton, called Route's review a "whitewash" and said Judicial Watch would "appeal as appropriate."

"The Navy IG obviously is afraid of the political ramifications of a thorough investigation into a presidential candidate's service record," Fitton said in a statement.

Route concluded that there was no justification for looking further into the decisions to award the medals or the anti-war activities.

"Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place over 30 years ago would not be productive," he wrote. "The passage of time would make reconstruction of the facts and circumstances unreliable, and would not allow the information gathered to be considered in the context of the time in which the events took place.

"Our review also considered the fact that Senator Kerry's post-active duty activities were public and that military and civilian officials were aware of his actions at the time. For these reasons, I have determined that Senator Kerry's awards were properly approved and will take no further action in this matter."

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


Posting this to sort of "shut all those oohh Kerry is bad he didnt deserved the medals " type of people heh.. Hope this puts an end ( Hopefully ) .. Im sure I will see the opposite side to keep saying this and that.. but just have in mind that this was posted..


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imokruok
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indicates the awards approval process was properly followed

Conducting any additional review regarding events that took place over 30 years ago would not be productive


All they did was say that procedure was followed correctly. Only Judicial Watch found it prudent to challenge that. It's not like the Navy ruled on the merit of the medals, which is the issue that some have found grounds to dispute. You mentioned "deserving" the medals - that's an analysis of merit, and the Navy - as stated above - did not analyze that.


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oh great now i can vote vor him with a clean conscience

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Did they also approve of Kerry throwing his medals over the White House fence? BWAHAAAHAHAAAA!!!! What a friggin' loser. Kerry is running on a "war hero" platform and nobody cares! Like WTF do we care about a LT on a boat in a river in Vietnam who earned medals, then threw them away and put his fellow servicemembers in jeopardy by outwardly protesting the war and falsely proclaiming they were all engaged in genoicidal acts? Not me, buddy. Kerry needs to relive his past - wrongdoings that is, like voting against everything thrown at him to benefit the soldier since holding public office.


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Oh, one more dig. Don't vote for the husband of a woman set to inherit the Heinz Ketchup fortune. LIke WTF is that about? Wonder how he got the money to begin with... not by working for sure.


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Sure. Because George scraped his way from rock bottom with absolutely no help from his family.

If we should base our votes on the candidates' wealth, then who should we vote for? The rich guy or the RICH guy? At least if we base our votes on war record we can choose between the one who went to war when he was called and the one who didn't.

And Kerry didn't start his campaign on his war record. He was just forced to respond to the other side who was trying to tear apart his campaign by attacking his war record. I guess if he pussed out and avoided the questions like George, he'd be better off. But I suppose that's how it goes. You can't get ahead by saying you're a war hero, but its obviously ok to discredit your opponent by claiming he's not.


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And Kerry didn't start his campaign on his war record. He was just forced to respond to the other side who was trying to tear apart his campaign by attacking his war record.


That is pure, unadulterated bullshit, and you know it. Kerry has always run on his Vietnam record until his recent change in focus to Iraq. The administration has never spoken negatively about Kerry's service, on the contrary, Bush has always spoken very highly of Kerry's service. Plenty of independently funded groups have made negative statements about Kerry's service, but not until after Kerry himself made it the focal point of his campaign.

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Originally posted by Shakka
That is pure, unadulterated bullshit, and you know it. Kerry has always run on his Vietnam record until his recent change in focus to Iraq. The administration has never spoken negatively about Kerry's service, on the contrary, Bush has always spoken very highly of Kerry's service. Plenty of independently funded groups have made negative statements about Kerry's service, but not until after Kerry himself made it the focal point of his campaign.


Well that's not entirely accurate. The Smear Boaters had Kerry marked for their smears way back in April. They gathered enough funds (mostly from big GOP donors) by June to start running ads right after the Dem. Convention, which correlated nicely with their book that came out in August. The fact that Kerry ran on his Vietnam record was irrelevant to the fact that these guys had him in their crosshairs way before his acceptance speech.


Edit: But I do agree that Kerry played that Vietnam record card way too long.


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Well I see this thread is going nowhere. JUst declare Kerry a presidential wannabe and close it.


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Dear John,

As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who served honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.

I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many medals as they deserved.

This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either, John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home. There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job isn't finished."

Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968. Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so. Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.

But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having, John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.

When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all, John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of committing terrible crimes and atrocities.

On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed."

And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of prisoners, the killing of prisoners."

Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured because of you, John:

Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He wasn't released until March 14, 1973.

Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March 4, 1973.

Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.

John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way, you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in chief.

One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."

Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?


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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/...n20040827.shtml


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