He's a great hitter, but I believe over 200 of his hits are singles. His OBP is less than some of the MVP candidates and with the hits record you'd think he'd be closer to .400. A great record, but over blown if you ask me. Also, too bad he's on a shitty team.

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Originally posted by Omegasox He's a great hitter, but I believe over 200 of his hits are singles. His OBP is less than some of the MVP candidates and with the hits record you'd think he'd be closer to .400. A great record, but over blown if you ask me. Also, too bad he's on a shitty team.

Definitely not overblown. Sure, most of his hits are singles... when he tried to hit for power early in the year, he batted .252. He's could probably hit 20 home runs a year, but he'd only bat .260 with a low obp. No one has come close in a LONG time so it is definitely an amazing record. And the Mariner's were quite good a few years ago.

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the guy stole bases who cares if they werent doubles and triples.

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI the guy stole bases who cares if they werent doubles and triples.

This is the hits record... not stolen bases.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 This is the hits record... not stolen bases.

haha duh
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I was replying to this guy

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Originally posted by Omegasox He's a great hitter, but I believe over 200 of his hits are singles. His OBP is less than some of the MVP candidates and with the hits record you'd think he'd be closer to .400. A great record, but over blown if you ask me. Also, too bad he's on a shitty team.

Ichiro stole 35 bases this year so who cares if they werent doubles and triples, he eventually made them stealing.Is 35 a great amount of SB's? not compared to Podesnick , crawford etc.. but its still alot.
your right ichiro didnt do much other than the record this year,but this hits record is respectable.

only 7 other guys have a higher OBP Bonds would win that no matter what 2nd Helton Is the complete package hitting wise.Ichiro has a higher OBP than 4 MVP candidates Rolen Sheffield , Ramirez and Pujols
Ichiro also leads the MLB with a .373 AVG

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Originally posted by Eddie N MIAMI haha duh ................ I was replying to this guy Ichiro stole 35 bases this year so who cares if they werent doubles and triples, he eventually made them stealing.Is 35 a great amount of SB's? not compared to Podesnick , crawford etc.. but its still alot. your right ichiro didnt do much other than the record this year,but this hits record is respectable. only 7 other guys have a higher OBP Bonds would win that no matter what 2nd Helton Is the complete package hitting wise.Ichiro has a higher OBP than 4 MVP candidates Rolen Sheffield , Ramirez and Pujols Ichiro also leads the MLB with a .373 AVG

Haha! My mistake.

And yes, I agree with everything you've said. I wouldn't care if EVERY one of his 259 hits were bunt singles. It's a crazy record that no one has come close to until now.

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Wow, what makes it more surprising and astounding is that an asian player broke it. Ichiro should be in the MLB's Hall of Fame.

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Originally posted by Mattsanity Wow, what makes it more surprising and astounding is that an asian player broke it. Ichiro should be in the MLB's Hall of Fame.

Not quite yet. He's only played for 4 seasons so far. However, if he could keep this up for another 5 or 6 seasons, he needs to make it into the HoF. He is a tremendous ballplayer.

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He is a fundamentally sound player ...awsome outfielder too. WIth a lot of these Japanese players are sometimes better sounded players then most american players because they arnt swinging for the homers every time there at bat. For someone to say this is overrated because its mostly singles is stupid i rather have a single then a strike out simple as that. with him breaking the hits record and have a 370ba u know damn sure his base percentage is very high that gives the team a chance to score everytime.

It's a great individual feat, but his team is still the third worst in the majors. The reason I said most of his hits are singles is because a lot of players could poke a blooper outside of the infield but they are looking for extra base hits to help their team. I'm not taking anything away from him, because as someone said he can move to 2nd or 3rd based on his speed alone. Nonetheless, he barely broke 100 runs, which isn't in the top 25 of the MLB.

Baseball is still a team game, so I just don't get overly excited for individual records. Sorry if you all feel different, just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Nou People seem to forgot that he played at nearly the same level for 9 years in Japan, I have no doubt that he will continue to play just as well in the US. He is the Mariners greatest asset at this point, with the piss poor season we had this year. This year was the only under performing year for the M's, really. 116 wins in 2001, 90+ games the last two years. This year was a fluke, bad moves by the people upstairs. He has had 100+ runs for all four seasons he has played here as well. It is a team sport, but you have to look at the rest of the team as well, not just Ichiro's performance, its not as if he was hurting the team by only getting singles, our guys couldnt even get singles! So really its amazing that he performed so well in that atmosphere. Personally I think he is the best player in baseball at the moment, he is consistantly at the top of his game and he plays the fundimentals.

I would definitely not consider him the top player in baseball. Heck, I wouldn't consider him among the top players in baseball. He'd a great player, yes. An amazing player. But he is no where near the Manny Ramirez', Vladimir Guerrero's, Albert Pujols', and Todd Helton's of the world. I didn't even mention Barry Bonds because even those 4 guys don't come close to Barry.

As for the Japan stats of Ichiro... I really don't consider the two leagues equal. If they were, than Tuffy Rhodes would not be one of the best players in Japan. Hideki Matsui would be belting 50+ homers over hear and Kaz Matsui would be batting .300 with 25+ home runs. The leagues aren't equal, so I don't know if the HoF peeps will take that into consideration. So he'll have to keep this up for a few more years before being considered a 'sure-thing' hall of famer. He definitely could do it though, in my eyes.

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