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MisterOpus1
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Exactly what "policy" did you "address" yesterday Dubya?

Jesus, you really are a sore loser, George! You took the opportunity to dupe the main media by saying you're going to give a major policy address speech on terrorism yesterday, only to hear you give yet another stump speech and throw cute little barbs at your opponent? Cripes man, you had your opportunity a week ago to do just that, yet you crumbled under pressure. So your only opportunity to get at your opponent is to attack him when he is not there to defend himself and attack back?

Let me be blunt: yesterday's little debacle was a sham, Bush. You pulled a fast one over on the gullible media, abusing your powers as President to pull out time on the networks for what was clearly not a major policy address. Will the media give equal time to Kerry to jab back at you? Highly unlikely, and of course you knew that. Furthermore, giving a full hour of trying to justify your foreign policy position without allowing your opponent to discuss his position or defend himself against your political attacks is nothing shy of pure cowardice.

You’re a chickenshit, George, plain and simple. The smell of your shit has risen too high, and you cannot wiggle out. You know this, of course, so you abuse your power to distort your opponent instead. You knew that these reports on Iraq that have come out all week were clearly going to demonstrate how weak your case was for invasion. Nice try, but the people have finally begun to see through it.

/partisan rant

quote:
You Call That a Major Policy Address?
In a week of devastating revelations about his Iraq policies, Bush has nothing new to say.
By Fred Kaplan

Posted Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2004, at 1:57 PM PT

Did CNN and MSNBC get hoodwinked this morning? Yesterday, the White House announced that President Bush would be delivering a "major policy address" on terrorism today. The cable news networks broadcast it live and in full. Yet the "address" turned out to be a standard campaign stump speech before a Pennsylvania crowd that seemed pumped on peyote, cheering, screaming, or whooping at every sentence.

The president announced no new policy, uttered not one new word about terrorism, foreign policy, or anything else. He did all the things he wanted to do in last Thursday's debate—accuse his opponent of weakness, bad judgment, vacillation, and other forms of flip-floppery—though this time without a moderator to hush the audience, much less an opponent to bite back. And Bush loved it, smiling, smirking, raising his eyebrows, as if to say, "How 'bout that zinger?"

In short, the cable networks were lured into airing an hourlong free campaign ad for George W. Bush. (CNN's spokeswoman did not return my calls inquiring if the producers felt used. The secretary to MSNBC President Rick Kaplan—no relation—connected me to a "viewer relations" line, where I could leave a message if I wished. I called again to clarify that I had a press question, not a consumer complaint. She connected me to the same line again. When I tried a third, fourth, and fifth time, she didn't even pick up the phone; no doubt seeing my number pop up on the Caller ID screen, she routed my call to the prerecorded announcement.)

It's hard to blame either network for taking the White House's bait. Most presidents would want to deliver, right about now, a major address on the war against terror and the war in Iraq. In the last few days, one blow after another has struck the very foundations of Bush's policies. The fact that, under the circumstances, Bush didn't deliver a major policy address after all, despite his advance word, should embarrass not only CNN and MSNBC but, still more, President Bush.

The week's most stunning development may have been the revelation in L. Paul Bremer's remarks, before a group of insurance agents at DePauw University, that we never had enough troops in Iraq, either to secure the country's borders or to provide the stability needed for reconstruction. "The single most important change, the one thing that would have improved the situation," Bremer said, "would have been having more troops in Iraq at the beginning and throughout."

Bremer, of course, was the Bush-appointed head of the U.S.-led occupation authority, so his words on such matters carry weight. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (and Rummy's neocon secretariat) have all insisted—before, during, and after the battlefield phase of the war—that they sent enough troops to accomplish the mission. It is worth recalling that when Gen. Eric Shinseki, then the Army chief of staff, told Congress that successful occupation would require a few hundred thousand troops, he was pushed into early retirement. Undersecretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz called his estimate "wildly off the mark."

Now we learn that Bremer agreed with Shinseki—and that he said as much to the White House and Pentagon chiefs at the time (a claim corroborated, to the Washington Post, by administration officials).

But Bremer's disclosure slams himself no less than Team Bush. Bremer, after all, was the man who ordered the disbanding of the old Iraqi army. This decision is commonly seen in retrospect as the administration's first—and perhaps most—disastrous move after the fall of Baghdad. If Bremer thought there weren't enough U.S. troops on the ground, why did he call for the demobilization of Iraqi troops (many of whom had not been loyal to Saddam—they didn't, after all, fight for him)? This is one of the war's great remaining mysteries. (Another is why we went to war in the first place, but that's another story.) Bremer almost certainly didn't make this decision himself; it had to come from higher up. But from where? My guess is that, ultimately, Ahmad Chalabi was a big influence. He was still counting on taking the reins of power in the new Iraq (he had the support of the White House and the Pentagon at the time), and he hoped to install his own militia, the Free Iraqi Forces, as the new Iraqi army. The old, Baathist-dominated army would have been in the way; it had to go. Whatever the actual story, if Bremer truly thought at the time that there weren't enough troops, he should have resigned rather than carry out the order.

The second blow to the war's legitimacy came Monday, when Rumsfeld—increasingly a loose cannon—appeared before the Council on Foreign Relations and, during the question-and-answer period, acknowledged that he had seen no evidence showing a connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. The Pentagon later released a statement, claiming that Rumsfeld had been "misunderstood." He did not mean to deny the existence of "ties" between the two. However, as has been discussed in this space before, "ties" is a term that is so broad as to be (deliberately) meaningless.

Then came news reports of a CIA analysis—ordered by Cheney—showing that Rumsfeld hadn't been misunderstood at all. The analysis concluded that there probably was no working relationship between Saddam's regime and al-Qaida lieutenant Abu Musab Zarqawi. This is significant in two ways. First, in the lead up to the war last year, the only physical evidence of a Saddam-al-Qaida tie was the presence of Zarqawi's training camp in northern Iraq. The camp was in Kurdish-controlled territory—an awkward caveat, but Bush officials at the time issued other, though looser, material suggesting a possible connection to Saddam himself.

Had the CIA's recent conclusion been reached two years ago, either within the administration or by Congress, the case for going to war would have been greatly weakened. In fact, as NBC News reported last March (and as almost nobody has picked up since), the Bush administration had several opportunities to bomb Zarqawi's camp well before the war. On at least two occasions the U.S. military drew up plans for an attack. But the White House rejected the proposals—mainly because shutting down Zarqawi's operation would have removed a key rationale for invading Iraq. This was a jaw-dropping bit of cynicism: Bush sold, and continues to sell, the war in Iraq as a major campaign in the global war on terrorism, yet he repeatedly passed up the chance to neutralize or kill one of the most dangerous terrorists (Zarqawi has spent much of his time lately chopping off the heads of foreign contractors) for fear of weakening the case for war.

Today comes the long-awaited 900-plus-page report by Charles Duelfer, the CIA's chief weapons inspector, which concludes pretty much what his predecessor, David Kay, figured out—that on the eve of the war Saddam Hussein had neither weapons of mass destruction nor a viable program for producing such weapons; that his capabilities were deteriorating; that his military might was diminishing, not gathering; that, in short, he posed no real threat. Duelfer did find that Saddam intended to reconstitute his programs once sanctions were dropped. Another way of stating this point: The sanctions were working; they were keeping Saddam Hussein in his box.

Finally, on the matter of the Bush administration's efforts to revive Iraq's economy, a report this week by the Center for Strategic and International Studies—a conservative Washington-based think tank—finds that for every dollar spent on aid to Iraq, only 27 cents filters down to projects benefiting Iraqis. The rest pays for administrative and management costs. (This is what happens when 85 percent of contracts are awarded to big U.S. or British firms, while just 2 percent go to Iraqi companies.) Add to this the fact that Bush has spent only a small fraction of the $18.5 billion that Congress appropriated for reconstruction, and the verdict can only be that we're doing just slightly more than squat. The evidence is seen in the continued electrical blackouts and the grave shortfall of basic services. The result is that Iraqis who might otherwise have been compliant citizens join the insurgency—or at least let the insurgents pass without turning them in. (For an excellent analysis on the insurgency's composition, click here.)

So, President Bush may well need to deliver a major policy address on all this sometime soon. Today, though, he just told the cheering throngs that he's strong and resolute while his opponent's a flip-flopper.
Fred Kaplan writes the "War Stories" column for Slate.

Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/id/2107847/


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xKaoSx
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I saw this too and my first thought was abuse of presidential power.
Hopefully Kerry brings it up in the next debate.

That was pretty chicken shit.

That's ok- he's going to be a whipping boy again on Friday.


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Admit it. You're just pissed off because he got ya! Suckaz!

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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City

quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
Admit it. You're just pissed off because he got ya! Suckaz!


Boy, ain't that the truth.

But seriously for a sec., take a look at the following article, and notice the emphasis quote from a Bush aide:

quote:
Bush: Kerry Would 'Weaken' U.S.
President Defends Iraq War in Run-Up to Second Debate

By Jim VandeHei
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, October 7, 2004; Page A01

WILKES-BARRE, Pa., Oct. 6 -- President Bush leveled his toughest and most comprehensive attack on Democratic challenger John F. Kerry on Wednesday, warning that Kerry "would weaken America and make the world more dangerous" while defending his decision to go to war against Iraq as an unavoidable step to defeat global terrorism.

Pointing toward a Friday night encounter against the Massachusetts senator, the president used his speech here to try to reframe the campaign debate and regain the momentum by putting the onus back on Kerry's record on national security and domestic issues and shifting attention away from questions about why he launched the war against Iraq in the spring of 2003.

Bush ignored the report released on Wednesday showing that Iraq possessed neither stockpiles of biological or chemical weapons nor an active program to produce nuclear weapons at the time of the invasion. Instead, he sharply criticized Kerry as a decades-long opponent of forceful U.S military action who lacks the will to finish the job in Iraq and to destroy al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

"You can't win a war you don't believe in fighting," Bush told supporters at a performing arts center here. "In Iraq, Senator Kerry has a strategy of retreat." The president also charged that Kerry's foreign policy, predicated on multilateralism and a rebuilding of global alliances and institutions, would "paralyze America in dangerous times."

After a contentious debate Tuesday night between Vice President Cheney and Sen. John Edwards, Bush picked up the assault on Kerry's record with sharp and sometimes misleading criticisms designed to reverse the gains Kerry has made since winning the first debate last week in Florida.

The strongly worded speech, which indicted Kerry as a "tax-and-spend liberal," was timed to deflect criticism of Bush's Iraq policy from such key sources as former Iraq administrator L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. weapons inspector and the State Department. A Bush adviser said the president hopes to change the dynamics of the race with more biting attacks on Kerry's record and trustworthiness and on what Bush charges is Kerry's reluctance to use U.S. military force to defeat terrorism. The strategy is aimed at stoking public fears about terrorism, raising new concerns about Kerry's ability to protect Americans and reinforcing Bush's image as the steady anti-terrorism candidate, aides said.

"Senator Kerry approaches the war with a September the 10th mind-set . . . that any attack will be met with a swift and certain response," Bush said. "That was the mind-set of the 1990s, while al Qaeda was planning the attacks on America. After September the 11th, our object in the war on terror is not to wait for the next attack and respond but to prevent attacks by taking the fight to the enemy."

Throughout the day, Bush warned voters in Pennsylvania and Michigan about Kerry's "weakness" and impulse to "retreat."

Kerry, who spent the day in Colorado preparing for the Friday debate, did not respond to the latest attacks. Instead, his running mate took on that task. At a brief news conference after a speech in West Palm Beach, Fla., Edwards said Bush and Cheney are "in denial" over the state of affairs in Iraq. He chided the administration for not recognizing "what the American people know and see every day: that in spite of the heroic service of our men and women in uniform, Iraq is a mess."

The Kerry campaign launched a new ad accusing Cheney of "not telling the truth" about Iraq in the debate with Edwards and Bush of "desperately attacking" the Democratic ticket.

In his speech here, which was squeezed between the only vice presidential debate and the second presidential debate, Bush cited Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) and British Prime Minister Tony Blair as among those who concur that Iraq is a crucial front in the fight against terrorism. Kerry says the Iraq war was a distraction from the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

"There was a risk -- a real risk -- that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons, or materials, or information to terrorist networks," Bush said. "In the world after September 11, that was a risk we could not afford to take."

Many Republicans and Democrats, including Kerry, shared Bush's concerns before and after the war, but weapons inspectors have since proved that Iraq did not posses the banned weapons to give to terrorists. Bush has been accused of exaggerating the Iraqi threat. Moreover, Kerry has noted, North Korea, Iran and many other nations fit Bush's definition of a "real risk."

The Bush attacks were not new, but were sharper and often more biting. He mocked Kerry for saying that the war is a mistake but insisting that he could still enlist allies to win it; for voting to authorize the war and then voting against an $87 billion bill to help fund it; and for saying he wants to hold a summit to change the dynamics of a war he opposes.

"You hear all that and you can understand why somebody would make a face," Bush said, in a self-deprecating reference to criticism that he scowled during the first debate.

Throughout the speech, Bush assailed Kerry's record of voting against many weapons systems, the 1991 Persian Gulf War and other defense initiatives. "Kerry has looked for every excuse to constrain America's action in the world," Bush said. "He has built a record of weakness."

While Kerry voted against the 1991 Gulf War and many defense bills, he has supported numerous increases in defense spending and voted for multilateral action in Kosovo, Bosnia and Somalia, as well as for the 2002 Iraq war resolution.

Bush reached back to comments from the early 1970s to portray Kerry as someone who would bow to international pressure and require a "global test" before protecting the nation. In doing so, he misrepresented Kerry's stated position: the Democratic nominee has repeatedly said he would consult with but never allow other nations to veto U.S. actions.

With Friday's debate expected to also include domestic issues, Bush escalated his attacks on Kerry's plans for taxes, health care and spending. He portrayed Kerry as a big-government liberal who wants to tax Americans to build a bigger, more intrusive government.

Many of Bush's charges were misleading, including that Kerry would raise taxes on all Americans; Kerry has said he would raise taxes for those making more than $200,000 a year but reduce them for most everyone else, including corporations. Bush also said that Kerry is planning a move toward "Clinton care," a reference to President Bill Clinton's failed attempt to create a health care system with more government funding; Kerry would dramatically expand the federal health care system, but the system would rely mainly on private companies to provide coverage and care. Bush warned of consumers facing limited choices and "rationed care," neither of which Kerry advocates.

Finally, Bush said Kerry would increase spending by $2 trillion or more. "That's a lot of money -- even for a senator from Massachusetts," Bush said, to thunderous applause and laughter, repeating Cheney's exact words from the night before. What he did not mention is that budget experts say the president has proposed even more additional spending, perhaps $3 trillion.

Staff writer Chris Jenkins, traveling with Edwards, contributed to this report.


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Did he just say that Bush was DELIBERATELY stoking public fears? So since this speech was not really a major policy speech, but a political stump speech instead, can we not conclude that this was a deliberate attempt to stoke the public fears for political gain?

That's damning enough, but could we also not conclude that the next time the threat is real people could actually die, since many won't believe the threat is real, taking it as more political posturing by the Bush administration?

Okay, maybe that aide shouldn't have stated it that way - could we at least conclude that aide should have his/her ass fired by Bush for stating such an idiotic comment?


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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Boy, ain't that the truth.

But seriously for a sec., take a look at the following article, and notice the emphasis quote from a Bush aide:



Did he just say that Bush was DELIBERATELY stoking public fears? So since this speech was not really a major policy speech, but a political stump speech instead, can we not conclude that this was a deliberate attempt to stoke the public fears for political gain?

That's damning enough, but could we also not conclude that the next time the threat is real people could actually die, since many won't believe the threat is real, taking it as more political posturing by the Bush administration?

Okay, maybe that aide shouldn't have stated it that way - could we at least conclude that aide should have his/her ass fired by Bush for stating such an idiotic comment?



freudian slip?


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quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
can we not conclude that this was a deliberate attempt to stoke the public fears for political gain?


i've heard a couple people here define that as terrorism.



(speedracer, i know he hasn't attached a bomb to himself and killed babies, so relax. your man is still safe)

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