What is Progressive trance/house?

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I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

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Try this link for one of the more in depth guides to music genre that has been posted on these forums. Many may disagree with some of the descriptions, but it is probably as accurate a read as you will find.

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Taken from cafeerte.com (URBAN/UNDERGROUND/PROGRESSIVE) TRANCE Characterized by a composition of powerful bagatelles, melodies and vocals, which are introduced as orchestrated `Build-Ups'. A `Build-Up', is a section within a track, where the beat and baselineare taken away and a soothing melody or vocal introduced. Various elements of percussion and sound effects are then arranged together in an uplifting manner, taking the listener up and up . The Beat and Baseline are reintroduced, combining melody and percussion to create an `Explosiv' effect.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

Well, in Canada they used to have some thing called "Progessive Conservative"

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Originally posted by Steve Stephano Try this link for one of the more in depth guides to music genre that has been posted on these forums. Many may disagree with some of the descriptions, but it is probably as accurate a read as you will find.

sounds more like a definition of classic melodic trance to me.. breakdowns, build-ups and huge climaxes the way they are described in your quote are almost inherent to melodic trance.

progressive is more minimal and focusses on subtlety rather than big leads. the bassline also tends to be groovier..

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I find it funny how they pick the genre that progresses the least and call it progressive...

You can't be serious?

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Originally posted by Evan Almae You can't be serious?

Why not?

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Originally posted by TOR sounds more like a definition of classic melodic trance to me.. breakdowns, build-ups and huge climaxes the way they are described in your quote are almost inherent to melodic trance. progressive is more minimal and focusses on subtlety rather than big leads. the bassline also tends to be groovier..

But if you re-read the first line of the quote it says:

"Characterized by a composition of powerful bagatelles, melodies and vocals, which are introduced as orchestrated `Build-Ups'."

Melodic Trance usually climaxes throughout the song not just during the break/build section of the track.

I see your point though, the climax in prog is generally more subtle, but has the same ruling effect.

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Originally posted by Ishkur

Progressive Trance doesn't really refer to any kind of build or climax, though a lot of them have that. It refers to the changing bass chords that kind of give the looping lead synth the impression that it's moving forward, or building towards something, when it's really not (it's just the same loop over and over again)...hence: "progressive".

See, here's where things get all muddy and confusing. Progressive Trance is really supposed to be nothing more than an extension of Progressive House, which is a ten year old term to explain music like Leftfield that was housey, but with those spitting synths that are ubiquetous trance.

The defining signature of Progressive Trance, that differentiated it from regular trance around 95 or so, were bass chord changes (in aeolian scale, usually) that, although the lead synth was just repeating itself, gave it the feeling of it moving forward or building towards something ie: progressing. Hence Progressive. It's the oldest trick in music. Go to my Guide and listen to the Progressive Trance samples. ESPECIALLY Gamemaster and Dream Universe....ignore the lead synth and listen to what the bass chord is doing, how it changes keys every four bars.

All the genres that spawned from that...especially the ridiculous, pompous anthem ones, utilize the same technique to idiotic extremes, giving it an "uplifting" feel. Probably where the butchered yet aptly described "Uplifting Trance" comes from.

"Progressive" as a just genre all by itself is nothing like Progressive Trance, but people are lazy about making up new names for things. Here is where the confusion comes in. The stuff on Digweed's Bedrock CDs is hardly Progressive, hardly Trance, and definitely not Progressive Trance (except for the overrated Heaven Scent). It's more of a monotonous house vibe, though I would hesitate to call it house. No one knows where it goes. I sometimes sarcastically call it "House Trance". I have it on my guide as UK House, since only the British could make something that boring

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Last edited by Radagast on Oct-26-2004 at 20:04

progressive far deeper than trance.the sound of the instruments used is more filtered and layered.the bass drum is not as defined and prominent,instead a melody pattern is one thing that strikes you.IMO progressive,although slower bpm wise is more intense than trance.