sorry i dont have a clue!

but i have another question that kinda relates to it.
can you get any programs that will do it the other way round, ie. remove the backing track to leave you with an acapella?

im really wanting an acapella of the kinda breakdown bit of killers - all these things that i've done.

cheers

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The best way I know of with removing vocals is, find the accapella of it, then there is some way of getting Sound Forge (I Think) to use the accapella as a guide to remove the vocals from the original, it works by looking at the frequency's of the accapella and then removing those exact frequency's from the original, but you have to have the exact same vocals as the track your taking out of.


As for taking out background music to make an accapella, this is easier, but depends on the track, I know its possible but dunno exactly how, depending on the track I can remove pretty much all the background sounds of some tracks using my mixer, the vocals become alittle high and lose there low end, but when you drop them over another track, it sounds pretty good.

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Originally posted by DannyO The best way I know of with removing vocals is, find the accapella of it, then there is some way of getting Sound Forge (I Think) to use the accapella as a guide to remove the vocals from the original, it works by looking at the frequency's of the accapella and then removing those exact frequency's from the original, but you have to have the exact same vocals as the track your taking out of. As for taking out background music to make an accapella, this is easier, but depends on the track, I know its possible but dunno exactly how, depending on the track I can remove pretty much all the background sounds of some tracks using my mixer, the vocals become alittle high and lose there low end, but when you drop them over another track, it sounds pretty good.

yeah, you can phase cancel if you have the a capella and the regular track
never done it but seen it done, sometimes comes out decently

and as for the making a capellas from regular tracks?
well i believe that most of what those plugins do is just EQ them to hell
and yeah, if you just use your own program to EQ them till you get most other sounds out of the track, then just add in a lil artificial bass and whatnot, and it'd probably sound fine if layed over something else

and since i was bored, i took that track and tried my damndest
taking out the full chorus is fucking impossible
trying to remove a full gospel chorus from snares, guitars, other guitars, symbals, and other stuff just seems really fucking impossible
good luck thought!

Uhhh....if you already have an a capella, why would you waste your time with phase cancellation to get another a capella?

Wait...are you interested in getting vocals as a final product, or an instrumental as a final product?

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Originally posted by Tranc3 Uhhh....if you already have an a capella, why would you waste your time with phase cancellation to get another a capella? Wait...are you interested in getting vocals as a final product, or an instrumental as a final product?

The first guys asking how to make an instrumental, and the second guys asking how to make an accapella, to make an instrumental, you can do that by having the accapella of the track you want to make into an instrumental.

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Originally posted by mezzir yeah, you can phase cancel if you have the a capella and the regular track never done it but seen it done, sometimes comes out decently and as for the making a capellas from regular tracks? well i believe that most of what those plugins do is just EQ them to hell and yeah, if you just use your own program to EQ them till you get most other sounds out of the track, then just add in a lil artificial bass and whatnot, and it'd probably sound fine if layed over something else

Thanks for the info guys, I have a few accapella's I could try it with but what is this phase cancel you are talking about, I have soundforge 6 is it anywhere in there.

it is very very very very hard to do this without the finished product sounding shite, because when you remove the frequencies of the voice, you are also removing similar frequencies from the music. some karaoke machines do it, but again its usually a ery poor end result in terms of sound quality.

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explanation of phase cancelation:

if you have 2 sampled sounds around similar frequencies playing at the same time, you can reverse the polarity of 1 of them to put it in opposite phase. all frequencies that that are in phase and (180 degrees) out of phase cancel out. this means they dont sound so you get the sound of 1 and only a little bit of the other. if those 2 sounds were identical and shared identical frequencies then putting one of them 180 degrees out of phase would cancel out the entire sound.

you can use this trick to get instrumental tracks if you have an accapella of that track. you go into soundforge and you open the full track. open the acapella and line it up as best you can with the vocals from the full track. you really have to be spot on or else it'll fuck up. once its exact, reverse the polarity of the acapella and render the whole thing. most of the vocals should be removed because of phase cancelation.

this is never perfect because:

vocals commonly have reverb effects and phase modulation effects on them (i.e. flangers, chorus effect, phasers etc). reverb plugins alter the phase of a sound to make it sound further away from you (which is a weird property of changing phase). its not possible to remove vocals completely from a track where phase modulation effects are used because moving sound out of phase and reversing polarity wont cancel out all the sound because all of the sound wont be exactly 180 degrees out of phase.

in simpler terms, if its swamped in reverb, this trick wont work very well.

buy a keyboard and play it yourself.

Well, my friend told me that Cool Edit has a vocal-cut function. You should try it.

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