While I consider myself a huge liberal and as much as it pains me to say this about Fox, I think Aljazeera is more biased than Fox News. There are times when having the other side of the view presented can be good but Aljazeera is definitly making life harder for the US than it needs to be.

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Originally posted by auujay I think Aljazeera is more biased than Fox News. There are times when having the other side of the view presented can be good but Aljazeera is definitly making life harder for the US than it needs to be.

ya think?

whats your point. all media is biased to some degree. mainstream american media is very anti-muslim/arab and at every oppurtunity tries to portray them as savages and barbarians. i dont hear you complaining about that.

i have never watched al jazeera so i know nothing tbh...

but yes every media is biased... and i would think al jazera is more biased than most tho, but i dont think they are as biased as many think.

u cant provide both sides of an issue 100% of the time!! but when u do have both sides, u should report, which al-jazeera fails time and time again. then again, who cares, there is not one democratic nation in the middle east, so nobody has a say except for someone associated strongly with islam or a dictating ruler.

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Who cares what Al Jazeera says on its english pages... only westerners are reading those.

If you want to discuss how Al Jazeera reports on the middle east, then you have to know what it says on the arabic pages, since these are the ones that are being read by their target audience.

Till you can read arabic then its kinda a moot point...

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I'm gonna prefix this post with the fact that I'm drunk...

My man point for this thread is the aljazeera (the voice of the muslim world) is biased as fuck. Now let me explain... I'm not some "yahooo lets blow shit up" kinda guy in fact the oposite. I question things (or at least try). Ok yes fox(lets even, for arguements sake, say the BBC) is biased but the majority of western (I include europe.. france... germany so on..) is not really. I'll admit they have to have stories (and just now (it's in fashion don't you know) for them that means america bashing). But they wouldn't step over the line of distorting the story to this degree. i.e. inciteing terroism (I've begun to hate the word as it's used so loosely to "help along" politicl aims but it's true here)

Actually maybe they would but this brings me to my main point(outwith this thread). Has anyone noticed how fucking formulaic the media is? I mean check out google news on a single story. You can see the same words repeated again and again from "differnt" sources. Thats fucking scary. News papers from all over the world using the same words. Just think about it for a second. Where do the words come from??? PR..... anyone here heard of astroturf groups(not crazy..actually.... synthetic grass roots)? (lets just say there is alot of money in PR and even more skill) Well it worries me anyway. Because we draw what we know (or think we know) from the media. In effect it is our single source, which is never a good thing.

(honestly I'm drunk.... ok fucked, but trust me on this, this is a scary thing)

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well i agree, the media scares me too. It form our opnions in many ways since it is supposed to give us the facts, yet EVERYTIME you actually know something about something that the media is talking about, the media is talking bullshit, by that i would guess that everything the media says is bullshit.

So what to replace the media with?

and drunkpics or stfu

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Originally posted by Dervish I'm gonna prefix this post with the fact that I'm drunk... My man point for this thread is the aljazeera (the voice of the muslim world) is biased as fuck. Now let me explain... I'm not some "yahooo lets blow shit up" kinda guy in fact the oposite. I question things (or at least try). Ok yes fox(lets even, for arguements sake, say the BBC) is biased but the majority of western (I include europe.. france... germany so on..) is not really. I'll admit they have to have stories (and just now (it's in fashion don't you know) for them that means america bashing). But they wouldn't step over the line of distorting the story to this degree. i.e. inciteing terroism (I've begun to hate the word as it's used so loosely to "help along" politicl aims but it's true here) Actually maybe they would but this brings me to my main point(outwith this thread). Has anyone noticed how fucking formulaic the media is? I mean check out google news on a single story. You can see the same words repeated again and again from "differnt" sources. Thats fucking scary. News papers from all over the world using the same words. Just think about it for a second. Where do the words come from??? PR..... anyone here heard of astroturf groups(not crazy..actually.... synthetic grass roots)? (lets just say there is alot of money in PR and even more skill) Well it worries me anyway. Because we draw what we know (or think we know) from the media. In effect it is our single source, which is never a good thing. (honestly I'm drunk.... ok fucked, but trust me on this, this is a scary thing)

Haha, I am currently trashed right now and hiting backspace carefully to not screw-up my writing. Al Jazeera is biased? Yes. Fox News is Biased? You know it! I would kil Sean Hannity in a second if I had the chance. Wost human being on earth. Media is really consolidated and getting more so (Thanks Michael Powell) and there are way too few viewpoints being expressed. Everyhting iis like a baseball game,where it's RedSox versus Yankees and there's no objective reporting going on. It sucks big time.

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Aljazeera is no more bias than many news organizations in the US and elsewhere. Get off your high horses.

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I wouldn't really say the BBC is really that biased really. Even in the US as soon as thouse pics came out about abuse everyone lays into our forces(the british ones were later proved fake and done for the considrable amounts of money paid for them). Ok read this and then try to find some as biased on a western news agency.

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Historically, Iraqis have been able to coexist and the spectre of civil war did not loom until the country was stricken by the US-led occupation.

Now thats total bullshit, bullshit of the highest order. Depends on your definition of historicly. Short term under a dictatorship yes they were united... the kurds weren't exactly too thrilled with it but nevermind. But if you look back past Hussein back as far a centurys they have always been fighting in that region(all the differnt tribes).

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A look at the electoral process and the composition of the current national council reveals that the election's main mission will be to install some of the country's most notorious politicians who have constantly spoken proudly of their links to international intelligence agencies.

Nice evidence (a look).... and in other reports the quote people only known as "an iraqi journalist" why not name your sources?

Look at the first source in a google search, starting on the first line.

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Whether it's the wisest decision or not - and it could be argued that it's not - the interim Iraqi government has set Jan. 30 for its first nationwide election since Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled. Discounting the mounting violence from insurgents intent on sabotaging it, Prime Minister Ayad Allawi is determined to hold the vote on that date. For those aggressively promoting it, like the White House and Shia clerics, the hope is that the vote will mark a pivotal point in Iraq's postwar chaos, eroding support for the insurgency and giving Iraqis a sense of empowerment in shaping their future. But confronted with the ferocity of the insurgency's offensive to derail the balloting, those hopes seem increasingly evanescent.

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The real question is whether the election will be representative of Iraq's three main ethnic and religious groups or end up as just a partial referendum dominated by an overwhelming Shia majority. Right now, it looks lopsided at best. Shia groups have managed to subsume their considerable differences for now to unveil a unified list of 228 candidates from three major political parties for the 275 members of a national assembly. Some independent Sunni Muslims belonging to various tribal groups are included on the list, but no major Sunni political movement is included. A Shia Kurdish group (most Kurds are Sunni Muslims) is also on the candidates' list, and so is a small Turkomen movement.

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Which is more blanced? IMHO the second (US) source.

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