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dj_ilan_yosef
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Did the Jews steal Christmas? (...and i used to like Bill O'Reilly)

Did the Jews steal Christmas?
By M.J. Rosenberg December 23, 2004

It's hard to believe but there is a movement among elements of the extreme right to attack American Jews for "taking Christ out of Christmas." These ugly manifestations are filling the talk radio air waves and far-right websites.

But the most alarming attacks are coming from Bill O'Reilly at Fox News, the most widely watched political commentator on cable. His latest crusade is against the trend toward wishing people "Happy Holidays "rather than "Merry Christmas." His outrage was spurred by the Macy's department store which is now using the religiously neutral term.

And he's been going on and on about it, with little effort to disguise who he considers guilty. Things came to a head when a Jewish caller said that he was concerned not so much about Christmas but about people at his college trying "to convert me to Christianity."

Here is O'Reilly's response -- heard by his millions of viewers: "All right. Well, what I'm tellin' you, is I think you're takin' it too seriously. You have a predominantly Christian nation. You have a federal holiday based on the philosopher Jesus. And you don't wanna hear about it? Come on -- if you are really offended, you gotta go to Israel then. I mean because we live in a country founded on Judeo -- and that's your guys' -- Christian, that's my guys' philosophy. But overwhelmingly, America is Christian. And the holiday is a federal holiday honoring the philosopher Jesus. So, you don't wanna hear about it? Impossible. And that is an affront to the majority. You know, the majority can be insulted, too. And that's what this anti-Christmas thing is all about."

Abraham Foxman of the ADL responded with a letter and press release telling O'Reilly that his remarks play "into one of the oldest anti-Semitic canards about Jews, that they are not full citizens of a country and are not entitled to all of the rights afforded to the majority. The notion that religious minorities have no place in a Christian America and should leave may be acceptable for extremists, but it is unacceptable coming from a popular and respected media commentator."

That didn't stop O'Reilly. He told his viewers that Foxman is a "nut" and that the ADL is "a militant organization" -- which could, if "used" by secularists, cause a "backlash against Jewish Americans" which O'Reilly pledges "to make sure doesn't happen" (thanks, Bill!). Now Congresswoman Nita Lowey (D-NY) has joined Foxman and is circulating a letter to Fox demanding an apology from O'Reilly and is working to get her fellow House members to join her. No doubt, O'Reilly will have some choice things to say about Lowey who, of course, does not celebrate Christmas either.

And it's not just O'Reilly and Fox. On MSNBC last week William Donahue of the Catholic League insisted, "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, OK? They like to see the public square without nativity scenes." Other pundits who have addressed the supposed anti-Christmas onslaught include Tony Snow, Morton Kondracke and Fred Barnes.

Perhaps the most cynical reaction to the whole affair comes from Charles Krauthammer who, in today's Washington Post , ridicules Jews -- and other non-Christians who are bothered by the erosion of the separation of church and state -- for displaying "profound ungenerosity toward a majority of fellow citizens who have shown such generosity of spirit toward minority religions."

This from a guy, so sensitive on Jewish matters, that he smears as hostile to Jews anyone who, say, states that Israel would be better off without the West Bank and Gaza or that Palestinians are as entitled to the same basic human rights as the rest of us. But anti-semitism from his ideological allies offends him not at all.

The hypocrisy is mind-numbing, but so is the idea that the O'Reillys and Krauthammers are so blind to just where their idea of American Jews as a tolerated minority could lead.

Foxman and Lowey deserve credit for taking on this issue. And so does the website MediaMatters which not only reports on what bigots are up to but allows you to watch or listen to the actual clips you were fortunate enough to miss when they first aired.

The bottom line is that this whole issue is a fake. No serious Christian is bothered by a Macy's clerk who wishes him "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" just as no serious Jew is offended by being wished a "Merry Christmas." The O'Reillys and others of his ilk are simply using one of the two holiest days on the Christian calendar to drive wedges between Americans. And that should offend us all.


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Well if its got the ADL nutters wound up then thats funny at least...

But anyway, I think this is merely one of those 'PC gone mad' issues

Over here, its not the Jews that stole xmas, but the Muslims

People have to be PC nowadays for some reason and that means nothing that may offend minorities

What people dont realise is these minorities couldn't give two shits about whether summat is xmas or not (in fact all the Muslims I know celebrate xmas too, have a dinner or something, and maybe Jews in America do too, they get a few days off afterall so they might as well get into the spirit of things!)

Its actually white/christian people that decide such and such a council wont have a nativity scene, not angry Jews/Muslims demanding they take them down!

I think somebody should ask that O'Rielly guy if he's ever heard any Jews complaining about everyone else celebrating xmas...!

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Also is Kwannza real? From what I can tell it is a B.S. holiday started in the 1960s by some Black Panther group.

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Also is Kwannza real? From what I can tell it is a B.S. holiday started in the 1960s by some Black Panther group.


Ya, I put Kwannza up there with Boss's Day & Sweetest Day.


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I think the funniest thing about this is that you actually liked O'Riley.

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i with smiley - its PC gone to far... i have no problem telling people merry xmas neither do i get offended if someone says it to me, thier intentions are good. george, does this mean you agree along with me and Orielly?

btw it reminds me of the movie "The Hebrew Hammer" anyone see it? a few good laughs in there.


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Speaking as a Jew who lived in Israel for 13 years and then moved to Canada, I have to say that Hannukah is really not that big a deal. I'm pretty sure the North American jews tried to make it a bit more like christmass so their kids wouldn't feel left out. I never got gifts for Hannukah in israel, noone that I know did.

However, it should still be recognized as a holiday, since it is a religious one, and that would be part of our right to practice our religion.

So in conclusion, religion is crap and people should abolish it.

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Originally posted by razmataz
I think the funniest thing about this is that you actually liked O'Riley.
Bill O'Reilly is a big, blubbering vagina.

Funny or what? Props to Maddox for this article!

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Originally posted by Izzy
i with smiley - its PC gone to far... i have no problem telling people merry xmas neither do i get offended if someone says it to me, thier intentions are good. george, does this mean you agree along with me and Orielly?

btw it reminds me of the movie "The Hebrew Hammer" anyone see it? a few good laughs in there.

No, O'Rielly says its the Jews "stealing xmas" whereas I am saying it is politically correct (probably white/xtian/middle class) types doing this "on behalf" of minorities cos they think it may offend them (but said minorities dont actually get offended)

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I agree with my recently-moved-to-Palestine friend, Georgey.

Just like Mr. Rosenburg said:

quote:

The bottom line is that this whole issue is a fake. No serious Christian is bothered by a Macy's clerk who wishes him "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" just as no serious Jew is offended by being wished a "Merry Christmas." The O'Reillys and others of his ilk are simply using one of the two holiest days on the Christian calendar to drive wedges between Americans. And that should offend us all.


Bottom line, is nobody is offended by Happy Holidays (I always thought that Happy Holidays was short for Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year anyway... Hanukah is always much before the 'holiday season' typically, only once every odd four years it actually lines up... I actually get more pissed when people wish me a Happy Holiday when they mean Hanukah (which has passed for two weeks now) than when they wish me a Merry Christmas. Not that I really get mad mind you but still.. anyway enough with this rant).

Its sort of shameful that people are trying to actually turn this into an issue, and like Mike err, Ilan I'm quiet suprised its these right wingers, maybe they should get back on their 'medicine'


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I also find it amazing that you actually liked O'Reilly.

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tathi
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who cares, the christians stole it off the Son of Isis

seriously - how boring is monotheism

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