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Mensa
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Us Aid to Israel

You know what’s funny? The media here in the US is “playing” up the fact that the US government has donated 350 million to Tsunami victums…
I laugh wholeheartedly

Here is the truth about the US and Israel.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most

Israelis BTW…as a result of US aid enjoy a HIGHER standard of living than the Netrelands
Lol

Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning.

Interesitngly, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress

aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)
When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

Although Israel is an "advanced, industrialized, technologically sophisticated country," it "receives more U.S. aid per capita annually than the total annual [Gross Domestic Product] per capita of several Arab states." Approximately a third of the entire U.S. foreign aid budget goes to Israel, "even though Israel comprises just…one-thousandth of the world's total population, and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes."
U.S. government officials argue that this money is necessary for "moral" reasons-some even say that Israel is a "democracy battling for its very survival." If that were the real reason, however, aid should have been highest during Israel's early years, and would have declined as Israel grew stronger. Yet "the pattern…has been just the opposite." According to Zunes, "99 percent of all U.S. aid to Israel took place after the June 1967 war, when Israel found itself more powerful than any combination of Arab armies…."

For many years the American media said that "Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid" or that "Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid." Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.
Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that "Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid." That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.

Israel, whose troubles arise solely from its unwillingness to give back land it seized in the 1967 war in return for peace with its neighbors, does not fit those criteria. In fact, Israel's 1995 per capita gross domestic product was $15,800. That put it below Britain at $19,500 and Italy at $18,700 and just above Ireland at $15,400 and Spain at $14,300.
All four of those European countries have contributed a very large share of immigrants to the U.S., yet none has organized an ethnic group to lobby for U.S. foreign aid. Instead, all four send funds and volunteers to do economic development and emergency relief work in other less fortunate parts of the world.
The lobby that Israel and its supporters have built in the United States to make all this aid happen, and to ban discussion of it from the national dialogue, goes far beyond AIPAC, with its $15 million budget, its 150 employees, and its five or six registered lobbyists who manage to visit every member of Congress individually once or twice a year.

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Re: Us Aid to Israel

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Israel, whose troubles arise solely from its unwillingness to give back land it seized in the 1967 war in return for peace with its neighbors


Yeah, they had no troubles before 1967.

Ok, I really don't want to have to say this again.
I wish Israel would give back land for peace, I really do. I've wanted that to happen since back in the days of Rabin's talks with Jordan back in '93. But people have to stop blaming Israel for everything.


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the Jews have given money to finance the revolution hence we give them money...in turn the search for a country that doesn't hate us is over :P


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Wow, did you do that all yourself, or was it in the UC-Berkeley Welcome Kit?


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I think this is Mesa's third hit and run. Until he demonstrates a willingness to stay and argue his point, I would suggest posting humorous anectdotes.

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the Jews have given money to finance the revolution hence we give them money...in turn the search for a country that doesn't hate us is over :P

What are you on about now?!

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I think this is Mesa's third hit and run. Until he demonstrates a willingness to stay and argue his point, I would suggest posting humorous anectdotes.

Check out Elektra's ratings on rotten tomato:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/elektra/

It has a 0%. Even Gigli had 7% after all was said and done. Any wagers as to whether it will beat Gigli?


how about that space movie with john travolta?


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Occrider is correct, though I'd replace "Hit and run" with "Hit and miss". That's 3 strikes now for Mensa.

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I only like fresh tomatoes.


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What are you on about now?!


take a dollar bill turn it around and you'll see 13 stars in a shape of the star of David, on the right side, you know why? Because Jewish bankers financed the Revolution. And your country got their asses kicked. Don't hate


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take a dollar bill turn it around and you'll see 13 stars in a shape of the star of David, on the right side, you know why? Because Jewish bankers financed the Revolution. And your country got their asses kicked. Don't hate

Riiiiiight...and you are saying the reasons behind American aid to Israel is because of the above???

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What the fuck are "riiiiiiiiiiighting" about? US and Israel kick ass, stop hating jesus.


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