That's right, screw everybody! Screw those heathen relief workers, and screw those stupid, thankless Indonesian Muslims! Fuck 'em all! Talk about money going down the drain!

We need faith-based proselytizers in there doin' God's work! We need conversion to Christianity! No one else need apply! We need folks like these:

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A Virginia-based missionary group said this week that it has airlifted 300 "tsunami orphans" from the Muslim province of Banda Aceh to Jakarta, the Indonesian capital, where it plans to raise them in a Christian children's home. The missionary group, WorldHelp, is one of dozens of Christian, Muslim and Jewish charities providing humanitarian relief to victims of the Dec. 26 earthquake and tsunami that devastated countries around the Indian Ocean, taking more than 150,000 lives.... "Normally, Banda Aceh is closed to foreigners and closed to the gospel. But, because of this catastrophe, our partners there are earning the right to be heard and providing entrance for the gospel," WorldHelp said in an appeal for funds on its Web site this week. The appeal said WorldHelp was working with native-born Christians in Indonesia who want to "plant Christian principles as early as possible" in the 300 Muslim children, all younger than 12, who lost their parents in the tsunami. "These children are homeless, destitute, traumatized, orphaned, with nowhere to go, nowhere to sleep and nothing to eat. If we can place them in a Christian children's home, their faith in Christ could become the foothold to reach the Aceh people," it said. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...&type=printable

But damnit, Christians, why'd you have to change yur minds?:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?nav=hcmodule

Grow a pair, will ya? It's just a little kidnappin'. Nevermind it's against Indonesian Muslim law - Christianity supercedes all laws!

Or better yet, how 'bout some real Southern hospitality? Nothin' like a little faith-based healin' Benny Hinn style:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/22/i...print&position=

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Most American groups, including those affiliated with religious organizations, strictly avoid mixing aid and missionary work. But scattered reports of proselytizing in Sri Lanka; Indonesia, which is predominantly Muslim; and India, with large Hindu and Muslim populations, are arousing concerns that the good will spread by the American relief efforts may be undermined by resentment. The Rev. Sarangika Fernando, a local Methodist minister, witnessed one of the prayer sessions in Sri Lanka and accused the Americans of acting unethically with traumatized people. "They said, 'In the name of Jesus, she must be cured!' " he said. "As a priest, I was really upset."

Why? Don't cha believe in the heeeeealin' power of Jeeesus?

Heathen.

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The Americans in Sri Lanka belong to the Antioch Community Church, an evangelical church based in Waco, Tex. Two members of the church were arrested, and accused of proselytizing, by the Taliban in Afghanistan in August 2001. When the United States invaded the country several months later, pro-American Northern Alliance forces freed the women, who church officials say did speak with Afghans about their personal "relationship with Jesus."

Hmm, I thought the stench smelled familiar...

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Jan. 18 posting from the team in Indonesia says the country's devastated Aceh Province is "ripe for Jesus!!"

Damn straight!!!

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"What an opportunity," it adds. "It has been closed for five years, and the missionaries in Indonesia consider it the most militant and difficult place for ministry. The door is wide open and the people are hungry."

Hungry for Jeeeesus!

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Ron Godwin, president of Jerry Falwell Ministries, confirmed that the Liberty Foundation was organizing a shipment of rice, medication and Scriptural excerpts, but said the primary goal of the effort was relief, not proselytizing. "Everything we do is in the name of Christ," he said. "But we try to be sensitive in areas where it may be politically sensitive, and we have no litmus test for those we give rice to."

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

Watch out for thrown furniture...

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"They told me to always think about God and about Jesus and you will be healed," he said. "Whenever I ask for help they always mention God, but they do not give any money for treatment."

What is wrong with this man? Doesn't he realize that money isn't the cure? Didn't he know that Jesus took one fish and made a thousand?

I really don't understand these nonbelievers. And I really don't understand why anyone would suggest that this terrific brand of Western Christianity, or our government backing of such Christian groups via faith-based initiatives, can somehow hinder relations abroad! I mean, if these groups aren't tax dollars well spent, I don't know what is - do you?

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Originally posted by Shakka Say Jesus again. Jeeeeeeeeezzzus!

Hehe, sorry. Every now and then that Southern Babtist side of my family comes out and takes over.

The Methodist side then comes along to sooth the spiritual revival.

Then the agnostic side comes along and makes fun of them both.

Quite the internal conflict. Sorry to get you caught in the middle.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 Hehe, sorry. Every now and then that Southern Babtist side of my family comes out and takes over. The Methodist side then comes along to sooth the spiritual revival. Then the agnostic side comes along and makes fun of them both. Quite the internal conflict. Sorry to get you caught in the middle.

I'm an Episcopalian...I try to be an equal opportunity offender.

Edit: Btw, my original post was more in defense of the military and their relief efforts. I could care less about pushing religion on a group of people that already have too much religion in their lives.

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Originally posted by Shakka Edit: Btw, my original post was more in defense of the military and their relief efforts. I could care less about pushing religion on a group of people that already have too much religion in their lives.

Yeah, I know. I just didn't want to open up a new thread related to the tsunami relief effort. This piece, though a bit of a personal perspective on the matter, I think really shouldn't be a reflection on the relief effort as a whole. Granted, I can understand his complaints on time spent and personality/attitudes of the relief workers, as well as the victims. It really comes across as a bitch/moan piece aimed at bureaucratic dweebs or whiny civilians. Does he have a legitimate complaint on that matter? Probably, but then again he should know that it comes with the territory in these type of disaster relief matters.

I guess my point was aimed more towards his last part - the unappreciative victims. I realize that this Muslim nation is pretty untrustworthy of our efforts, of our military's efforts, but that's something he must come to grips with. I think his anger or frustration, which seemingly is spilling over towards the people, should be a bit quelled as he should again realize that it just comes with the terroritory of his job in a rather hostile nation.

I mean you really only need to replace "tsunami" with "overthrown regime", and "Indonesia" with "Iraq", and you could really see similar sentiments with our soldiers and the people in Iraq. Most want us the hell out - even though idealistically we are really trying to help them.

I don't want to take away from the dangers posed on this officer or any officer/soldier giving assistance, for that matter. But it just comes across a bit misplaced, to me, to depict the situation almost as if it's kinda better off if we just said, "Fuck 'em". It's his duty to do what he does. If he's describing the difficulties of his job, that's fine and I fully commend him for that. But it seems almost that it's coming across a bit more than just a mere description of his difficult tasks at hand. And for that, I think is a bit misplaced.

Bah, maybe I'm reading into it too much. Hence my dripping sarcasm earlier. Oh well.


Added in Edit I look at what I wrote and it seems more an more like an asshole statement. I really didn't mean to come across this way or disrespect our military's effort and role in the matter. Again I want to stress my upmost respect and admiration for their life-threatening duties. But as I mentioned, it seems this author is reaching a bit more than just a personal daring account, and is wanting more of a political statement or reaction here. To that I think it's a bit misplaced. I hope I clarified myself better.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 This piece, though a bit of a personal perspective on the matter, I think really shouldn't be a reflection on the relief effort as a whole. Granted, I can understand his complaints on time spent and personality/attitudes of the relief workers, as well as the victims. It really comes across as a bitch/moan piece aimed at bureaucratic dweebs or whiny civilians. Does he have a legitimate complaint on that matter? Probably, but then again he should know that it comes with the territory in these type of disaster relief matters.

Perhaps those aid workers should have come more prepared, eh?
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I guess my point was aimed more towards his last part - the unappreciative victims. I realize that this Muslim nation is pretty untrustworthy of our efforts, of our military's efforts, but that's something he must come to grips with. I think his anger or frustration, which seemingly is spilling over towards the people, should be a bit quelled as he should again realize that it just comes with the terroritory of his job in a rather hostile nation.

Riiiiiight. If I was doing a good deed helping out someone and that someone gets pissed off at me, or worse, prevent me from doing the good deed properly, yeah, I'd be annoyed.

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I mean you really only need to replace "tsunami" with "overthrown regime", and "Indonesia" with "Iraq", and you could really see similar sentiments with our soldiers and the people in Iraq. Most want us the hell out - even though idealistically we are really trying to help them.

WTF are you taking about? Perhaps the Yanks should just stay the heck out of Indonesia? (And get the scorn for not helping out?)
Where did you get the idea that US would do anything like overthrowing Indonesian regime?

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I don't want to take away from the dangers posed on this officer or any officer/soldier giving assistance, for that matter. But it just comes across a bit misplaced, to me, to depict the situation almost as if it's kinda better off if we just said, "Fuck 'em". It's his duty to do what he does. If he's describing the difficulties of his job, that's fine and I fully commend him for that. But it seems almost that it's coming across a bit more than just a mere description of his difficult tasks at hand. And for that, I think is a bit misplaced.

Perhaps you're right. Or perhaps he's just frustrated at the level of cooperation and BS he has to deal with.

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Added in Edit I look at what I wrote and it seems more an more like an asshole statement. I really didn't mean to come across this way or disrespect our military's effort and role in the matter. Again I want to stress my upmost respect and admiration for their life-threatening duties. But as I mentioned, it seems this author is reaching a bit more than just a personal daring account, and is wanting more of a political statement or reaction here. To that I think it's a bit misplaced. I hope I clarified myself better.

Hey, instead of a 'thank you', the Yanks are getting 'get the fuck out of here. Oh, leave us the money, btw'. I think he's justified in little article.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

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Originally posted by EvilTree Perhaps those aid workers should have come more prepared, eh? PPPPPP: Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance

No doubt that has merit.

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Riiiiiight. If I was doing a good deed helping out someone and that someone gets pissed off at me, or worse, prevent me from doing the good deed properly, yeah, I'd be annoyed.

And you have every right to be, just as this officer does as well as vexing about it a little bit. I have no qualms about this officer telling the public just how incredibly taxing his job is. It is something to admire. But again, that was not my point, I reiterate my point:

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it seems this author is reaching a bit more than just a personal daring account, and is wanting more of a political statement or reaction here. To that I think it's a bit misplaced.

If there is a political message of sorts to be said, only THEN would I disagree with a statement being made. If we need to discuss the "whys" on this further, I will, but I think reasons of military duty, humanitarian duty, and even a dash of political duty (i.e. making the U.S. "look" good offering assistance even when it's unwanted) tend to speak for themselves.

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WTF are you taking about? Perhaps the Yanks should just stay the heck out of Indonesia? (And get the scorn for not helping out?) Where did you get the idea that US would do anything like overthrowing Indonesian regime?

I think you missed my point. I was not correlating foreign policy between the two - rather, soldiers' and officers' sentiment towards helping and assisting citizens in a fairly hostile country.

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Perhaps you're right. Or perhaps he's just frustrated at the level of cooperation and BS he has to deal with.

Again I don't take his feelings away from him. He has every reason to feel that way and express them as well. I just question whether it's appropriate to expound further in a political statement possibly being made.

Or let me clarify further - he may not necessarily be making a political statement. But it may be subject to interpretation in becoming so - this is what I think we need to be careful on.

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Hey, instead of a 'thank you', the Yanks are getting 'get the fuck out of here. Oh, leave us the money, btw'. I think he's justified in little article.

As do I.

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 If there is a political message of sorts to be said, only THEN would I disagree with a statement being made. If we need to discuss the "whys" on this further, I will, but I think reasons of military duty, humanitarian duty, and even a dash of political duty (i.e. making the U.S. "look" good offering assistance even when it's unwanted) tend to speak for themselves. Again I don't take his feelings away from him. He has every reason to feel that way and express them as well. I just question whether it's appropriate to expound further in a political statement possibly being made. Or let me clarify further - he may not necessarily be making a political statement. But it may be subject to interpretation in becoming so - this is what I think we need to be careful on.

I suppose every statement or articles made can be taken with a political bent. Or this officer is just telling a story as he sees it, nothing more.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded