You didn't steal it, you found it. Finders Keepers.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I had a run-in with this evangelical Christian who claimed that, as an atheist, the only thing stopping me from being a horrible human being who killed, stole and commmitted other sins was the presence of the law*. Obviously I didn't waste time arguing with him, but I was incredibly pissed off because I knew that all these times I'd had the opportunity to steal without consequences and hadn't were proof that I don't fuck people over constantly simply because that's not who I am. Now I have broken that.

Exactly. As an atheist, the only thing stopping you from being a horrible human being is your will not to be a horrible human being (not that it would be any different if you were a Christian, but you'd then suppose a higher power would kick your arse for your improper behaviour).

You can still redeem yourself not on grounds that "it's the right thing to do". But rather, it's your choice to, in spite of this mistake, remind yourself that you don't steal because it's against the law: you simply refrain from stealing because you're not a thief

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Take it to the library lost and found section and say you found it on the ground. Hopefully the person who lost it tries them when he realizes it, or in a repeat effort. Maybe you'll get to keep it legally when the quarter ends, but more likely it will stay in a bin with all the other forgotten flash drives that have gone unclaimed.

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Originally posted by Ygrene This is deserving of a Lifetime CORe Whore Achievment award.

You can hand it into the lost and found if you want. I don't see the massive problem.

FYI, I came in here looking for schematics but I decided to answer anyway

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Originally posted by Sushipunk You didn't steal it, you found it. Finders Keepers.

Yep, thats a scientific evolutionary explanation just right there!


and as we all know
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Originally posted by Lira Exactly. As an atheist, the only thing stopping you from being a horrible human being is your will not to be a horrible human being (not that it would be any different if you were a Christian, but you'd then suppose a higher power would kick your arse for your improper behaviour). You can still redeem yourself not on grounds that "it's the right thing to do". But rather, it's your choice to, in spite of this mistake, remind yourself that you don't steal because it's against the law: you simply refrain from stealing because you're not a thief

The question is:


In there a kind of innate morality in man? Or all morality comes from social learning

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J However, I've had a bit of regret. Firstly, I had a run-in with this evangelical Christian who claimed that, as an atheist, the only thing stopping me from being a horrible human being who killed, stole and commmitted other sins was the presence of the law*.

The great thing about being an atheist is that you don't have to see the world in black and white.

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Originally posted by PETRAN In there am innate morality in man? Or all morality comes from social learning

This is pretty much what I said, less intelligently.

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Return it to the lost & found. though I think he might go by the logic of " No one would return a USB stick " and not go check but at least you did the right thing. People don't normally return something they found if they can use it themselves. It's a human thing.

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Originally posted by Project-K This is pretty much what I said, less intelligently.

I am verry haigh klever

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Originally posted by Lira You can still redeem yourself not on grounds that "it's the right thing to do". But rather, it's your choice to, in spite of this mistake, remind yourself that you don't steal because it's against the law: you simply refrain from stealing because you're not a thief

To be honest I'm slightly disgusted that I care enough to make this thread. Part of me wants to believe I'm a badass who doesn't obey any law except what I feel like on the day, which was true in this case. But then obviously there's someone a bit more noble than that somewhere inside me. Since I believe morality is an arbitrary construction I know it doesn't matter that I fucked someone over slightly, but part of me feels bad anyway. Besides, I do believe in a practical kind of karma: if I went around stealing from everybody I knew, a lot of people would hate me and never trust me. The fact I don't means people trust me and look at me in a better light. You don't have to believe in a spiritual/supernatural framework to believe your actions have a positive or negative reflection on yourself.

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Originally posted by treeboo Take it to the library lost and found section and say you found it on the ground. Hopefully the person who lost it tries them when he realizes it, or in a repeat effort. Maybe you'll get to keep it legally when the quarter ends, but more likely it will stay in a bin with all the other forgotten flash drives that have gone unclaimed.

This would be the most simple thing to do, but I took it on Wednesday evening and I reckon he'll have asked at reception by now if he was ever going to. The odds of him asking again are incredibly unlikely, so I fear the damage is already done. Having it sit in a stockpile of unclaimed junk useless to all is hardly an improvement. I would like it if whoever was on reception would look out for the person and tell them the next time they saw this person that their USB drive had been returned after all, but I doubt the receptionist will give enough of a shit to execute that plan.

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