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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Democracy in Iraq (is coming) A blog by an Iraqi on the future of Iraq, an Iraqi who is excited about a new democratic Iraq. >> Source << But my hope (like the Iraqi above me) is that Iraqis are tired of the tyranny that theocracy brought them. Guess we'll just have to sit back and see what the Iraqis do.

Damn, that's one lucky Iraqi!

I mean, he has a computer in which to blog, to thoroughly research the Iraqi candidates (I'm sure he wishes.) He's l33t, just for the fact that he's among the 0.002% of Iraqi's that can afford extravagances such as computers and internet.

I'm sure he's excited, but wonder how he's going to decide who the best candidate is among soooo many parties and candidates.

Something tells me that Iraqi doesn't live in this part of Fallujah.



http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...lc61885e_photo2




I wonder if they put up a voting booth on that street.

I'm not holding out hopes of this election either delivering a truly fair outcome (considering many areas in the Sunni triangle are not safe places to vote and many Sunni parties have refused to run) or putting an end to the insurgency (why would these 200,000 mainly Sunni people stop fighting when a Shiite government is elected?).

May or may not be relevent, but I just wrote this on another forum, so I may as well share it here (in response to this article about the aggreived Sunni population from the Guardian):

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I think all this highlights is, once again, just how much the coalition misread the situation in Iraq prior to the invasion. They didn't seem to think that trying to enforce a centralised, democratic governmental system on what is, essentially, three unique socio-religious groups with three very different ideologies and aims would be a problem. These sorts of cultural sensitivities were never properly addressed and the messy situation we're seeing now is - in part at least - a manifestation of said insensitivity to the scale of the cultural diversity in Iraq that, for all intents and purposes, had only been held together for the previous 80 odd years due to the hard-handed rule of the British followed the tyranny of Saddam Hussein. I can remember reading an article written by a Muslim professor shortly after the fall of Baghdad, explaining how democracy could best be brought to Iraq (and this wasn't an anti-war article, it was a genuinely optimistic article about bringing democracy to a country that had been denied it for so long). His argument was that the Iraqi people would be more responsive to a more localised style of government where communities would vote for their own officials who would then run the communities as a council, say, would run communities in the west. While these "councils" would still be answerable to a centralised government, who would also be voted for by the people, they would still - within reason - be allowed a degree of autonomy to ensure that localised culture could be preserved and that these sorts of "culture clashes" could be more easily avoided. So while there would still be a united Iraq with a united, representative government, there would be limits placed on the power this government could have on a more local level and communities could be governed by the people they voted for. This way, democracy is allowed to flourish without any of danger of the "tyranny of the majority" emerging as it does so often in the west. But, of course, this sort of system would never do. It had to be Jeffersonian democracy or nothing, because everyone knows that Jeffersonian democracy is the only "correct" democratic system in the world. Even though this was always going to mean that a Shiite government would be elected much to the chagrin of the Kurds and the Sunnis, it has to be persisted with because that's "democracy", isn't it? Never mind that this "one-vote, one candidate, whoever gets the most votes wins and governs over everyone" concept is probably a foreign, undesirable concept to many Iraqis, it had to be instituted at all costs and now - with many Sunnis refusing to participate - we're starting to see the system fail when it all could have been avoided with some degree of cultural sensitivity and flexible thinking.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X parties and candidates

Just look at how many of the candidates were exiled in the west for decades, lived and studied in the west for decades, or both. How are these people possibly the best representatives of the Iraqi population? If you were an Iraqi citizen, wouldn't you want a leader that has lived in your country for most of - if not all of - their lives and who can properly understand the challenges that the nation faces? How can someone who's been exiled for 30 years possibly be in tune with the current national psyche?

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Originally posted by josh4 Something tells me that Iraqi doesn't live in this part of Fallujah. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...lc61885e_photo2 I wonder if they put up a voting booth on that street.

What bothers me is you guys think every corner of Iraqi looks like that and that they live in the stone age still looking for someone to give them that great invention called 'the wheel'...
They drive cars, own cell phones and yes...computers...

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Originally posted by josh4 Something tells me that Iraqi doesn't live in this part of Fallujah. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...lc61885e_photo2 I wonder if they put up a voting booth on that street.

I wonder what will hapen if they put you on that street.
hahahah

Last edited by Dunya on Jan-28-2005 at 13:11

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r They drive cars, own cell phones and yes...computers...

In 2002, only 45 thousand out of a population of over 25 Million had internet service. I take it you didn't bother to click on my link.

And I'm sure that there's someone in Turkmenistan who has a computer too, but that definitely doesn't mean that it's the norm over there. I honestly don't think anyone was ever disputing that they actually might have such modernities such as cars.

LOL

2002??

Damn guy...that's a life cycle of a computer!! lol

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r What bothers me is you guys think every corner of Iraqi looks like that and that they live in the stone age still looking for someone to give them that great invention called 'the wheel'... They drive cars, own cell phones and yes...computers...

So what you're saying is only the upper class well-to-do Iraqis will be able to participate in the election.

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Originally posted by Dunya I wonder what will hapen if they put you on that street. hahahah

I'd probably either die of starvation or get shot like many people before me.

can someone please tell me how iraqi's who dont live there are allowed vote?

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Originally posted by Michael19 can someone please tell me how iraqi's who dont live there are allowed vote?

Most countries allow that. I bet Eire also does.

Voting rights are based on CITIZENSHIP not RESIDENCY.

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Originally posted by josh4 So what you're saying is only the upper class well-to-do Iraqis will be able to participate in the election. I'd probably either die of starvation or get shot like many people before me.

No...I'm saying that but posting that picture some people think the whole country is like that since that's all we seem to see thanks to our sensationalist media...
Where did I say only well-to-do could vote?
I would have thought you'd be asking Trancer-X that since he thinks internet stats are relevant to voting? I dunno...if someone could find out what that coorelation is supposed to mean...
(All I said was that they have computers and basically aren't beating their laundry off rocks)

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
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