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wolverine16
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago, USA
Illness triggers half of bankruptcies

I know we just had a lengthy health care discussion a couple weeks ago, but I thought this was an interesting study that just came out, showing major middle class health care issues.

Source: Chicago Sun Times

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Illness triggers half of bankruptcies
February 2, 2005

BY LORI RACKL Health Reporter

When Annette Ayers took her asthmatic son Noel to the emergency room, she had no idea it would eventually land her in bankruptcy court.

The single mom from Harvey said the $5,000 in medical bills that stemmed from her son's three-day hospital stay sent her spiraling into debt.

A collection agency took $300 a month from her modest paychecks. Ayers started to miss mortgage and car payments. In 2003, four years after her son's hospital stay, Ayers declared bankruptcy.

"I tried to pay but it was just too much," said Ayers, 45. "Once you get behind, it's hard to catch up. I had no other choice."

A new Harvard study of bankruptcy cases shows Ayers' plight is all too common. Medical bills and illnesses are a major cause of roughly half of this country's personal bankruptcies, according to the study published today on the Web site of the journal Health Affairs.

Touted as the first in-depth analysis of medical causes of bankruptcy, the study looked at 1,771 court records of people who filed for bankruptcy in 2001 in five federal districts, including one in Illinois. More than half of those bankruptcy filers were interviewed in detail about their finances and health. The researchers determined that 46.2 percent to 54.5 percent of the nearly 1.5 million personal bankruptcy filings in 2001 could be chalked up, in large part, to medical problems.

"Unless you're Bill Gates, you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," said Dr. David Himmelstein, lead author of the study and associate professor of medicine at Harvard. "Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick. Health insurance offered little protection."

Mostly middle-class problem



The researchers estimated that some 40,168 of Illinois' 79,777 personal bankruptcies last year were medical bankruptcies, affecting 111,544 debtors and their families.

The study found that the majority of medical bankruptcy filers nationwide were middle-class homeowners with some college education. They usually had health insurance, too. More than 75 percent of people in medical bankruptcy were insured when they first got sick.

"Families with coverage faced unaffordable co-payments, deductibles and bills for uncovered items like physical therapy, psychiatric care and prescription drugs," Himmelstein said. "And even the best job-based health insurance often vanished when prolonged illness caused job loss -- precisely when families needed it most."

The study's findings are especially troubling as more Americans get their coverage from consumer-driven health insurance plans that can carry large deductibles, leaving them vulnerable to hefty medical expenses, said study co-author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler.

Insurance often inadequate



"A larger share of American workers are going to have insurance that's like a paper umbrella," Woolhandler said. "It looks good, and it might even protect you in a sprinkle, but it melts away in a downpour."

Among those whose illnesses led to bankruptcy, out-of-pocket medical costs averaged $11,854. Cancer proved to be a costly diagnosis, with the average patient racking up $35,878 in expenses.

Jeff Morris, resident scholar for the American Bankruptcy Institute in Virginia, said the Harvard study "confirms a lot of people's assumptions about the causes of bankruptcy."

Medical bills don't have to be in the tens of thousands of dollars to destroy a family's finances, he said.

For people without much buffer between income and expenses, "a $3,000 or $5,000 loss can be a pretty catastrophic number," Morris said.

People often resort to getting by on high-interest credit cards. "In a short time," he said, "that amount of debt can be impossible to get out from under, absent some kind of bankruptcy relief."


I work at a law office dealing with bankruptcy & foreclosure law and foreclosures have been skyrocketing as well the last few years, especially last month. Thoughts?


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NeoPhono
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Re: Illness triggers half of bankruptcies

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Originally posted by wolverine16
I work at a law office dealing with bankruptcy & foreclosure law and foreclosures have been skyrocketing as well the last few years, especially last month. Thoughts?


Her son is still alive. Cynical and pessimistic maybe, but that's the bottom line.

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Shakka
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It's not that I'm not sympathetic--I certainly am. I just don't think government is the cure. Certainly not the first line of defense.

If a person has a car accident and has no insurance and is subsequently rendered in the same capacity, should it be the government's obligation to provide auto insurance to everyone as well? IMO, thinking with emotions takes a lot of objectivity out of a debate.

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St_Andrew
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quote:
Originally posted by Shakka
It's not that I'm not sympathetic--I certainly am. I just don't think government is the cure. Certainly not the first line of defense.

If a person has a car accident and has no insurance and is subsequently rendered in the same capacity, should it be the government's obligation to provide auto insurance to everyone as well? IMO, thinking with emotions takes a lot of objectivity out of a debate.


well, it's a choice you make when you buy your car, the difference with healthcare is that everyone must have it. Besides it is a government law that you must have car insurence right? That law is there so you are always be able to pay for unwanted damages.

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wolverine16
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Man, you guys are harsh. I really don't think being concerned about this is based on emotions, but if that's the case, explain again why you advocated $300 billion+ for Iraqi democracy? Not really seeing any greater benefits to the lives of Americans from that. This is really a problem within our economy if more people with jobs in the middle class are filing for bankruptcy, no different than being concerned if the unemployment rate is rising. No the government shouldn't give everyone car insurance but a sharp increase in hard working people choosing whether to afford being alive or keeping your home is a problem. You don't think anything at all should be tried to stop this trend? Any thoughts of non-government remedies short of not giving birth to children that could potentially become sick? One reason I am concerned about something like this is it could happen to me or anyone else just as easily.


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*Allow doctors to treat patients the way they see fit, not the way that is least likely to get them sued.

*Allow doctors/health care providers to turn away those who do not need care.

*Create penalties for chronic abusers.

*Get rid of ridiculous government regulations/paperwork.

*Allow charities to care for those in need, not the government.

*Tort reform.

*Reform senior citizen programs to cover those in need, not those who meet an age requirement.

*Put a cap on drug prices, like every other industrialized nation, or force drug companies to remove the cap in other countries.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
*Allow doctors to treat patients the way they see fit, not the way that is least likely to get them sued.

*Allow doctors/health care providers to turn away those who do not need care.

*Create penalties for chronic abusers.

*Get rid of ridiculous government regulations/paperwork.

*Allow charities to care for those in need, not the government.

*Tort reform.

*Reform senior citizen programs to cover those in need, not those who meet an age requirement.

*Put a cap on drug prices, like every other industrialized nation, or force drug companies to remove the cap in other countries.


actually i agree with all that

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wolverine16
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Originally posted by St_Andrew
actually i agree with all that


I do for the most part as well, though depending on which paperwork and what is changed about tort law. I would tie these both to more strict self regulation of doctors by groups like the AMA. Most doctors have had suits filed against them before, right or wrong, but the bulk of malpractice lawsuits tend to be against a relative few in the industry that may be doing something wrong, which brings about higher costs for other physicians.


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I cannot believe that the richest country in the world actually makes people pay to get medical treatment!!!!

Surely the answer to this is to have a national health service like the European countries do?

Or would that be too "communist/authoritarian" for you to swallow?!

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Originally posted by George Smiley
I cannot believe that the richest country in the world actually makes people pay to get medical treatment!!!!

Surely the answer to this is to have a national health service like the European countries do?

Or would that be too "communist/authoritarian" for you to swallow?!


Good question, but the answer lies in Americans overarching fear of government. Because OF COURSE the market best serves the interest of people's health.


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The European healthcare system is doomed due to its own population shift. In some countries, such as Italy, the death rate has now eclipsed the birth rate, and a top-heavy population of elderly cannot be supported by such a small working population. In most European countries where this has not already happened, it is beginning to. To say that the socialized healthcare system of Europe and other countries is problem-free is absurd, but wait another 20 years and we'll see the true staying-power of a pyramid-sceme funding plan that is being turned upside down.

Keep the costs as low as possible and allow the individual to pay for his own healthcare. The only system that works. I can afford to pay for myself, but I can't pay for 2 or more retired elderly individuals or those "in need" who cannot.

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quote:
Originally posted by NeoPhono
The European healthcare system is doomed due to its own population shift. In some countries, such as Italy, the death rate has now eclipsed the birth rate, and a top-heavy population of elderly cannot be supported by such a small working population. In most European countries where this has not already happened, it is beginning to. To say that the socialized healthcare system of Europe and other countries is problem-free is absurd, but wait another 20 years and we'll see the true staying-power of a pyramid-sceme funding plan that is being turned upside down.

Keep the costs as low as possible and allow the individual to pay for his own healthcare. The only system that works. I can afford to pay for myself, but I can't pay for 2 or more retired elderly individuals or those "in need" who cannot.


I would read what the Economist had to say about European Healthcare... They clearly seem to disagree with you and so do I.


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