hey my names peter , i posted on here i think a couple of times... I was just wondering where can i go to learn this music stuff. I live in toronto Canada, I know theres a place trebass institute but i think you have to have a high school diploma which i dunt have yet because im only 17 and im going to finish school in one more semester --

anyways i just want to learn basically how to make a song and master it with effects and everything. One thing im havin alot of trouble is when i make a song and i put my speaker loud theres to much hissing, but whenm its low, it sounds perfect. I need to learn how to use a compressor and what not. I dont want to wait untill im done high school to start so please can someone help me thanks

heres a sample of a song i remade for fun, Ian van dahl - castles in the sky.

http://s16.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2MQBAUEDLTS7G2Q3C4GO6M7VW8

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Originally posted by unleashed_gino1 One thing im havin alot of trouble is when i make a song and i put my speaker loud theres to much hissing, but whenm its low, it sounds perfect. http://s16.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...7G2Q3C4GO6M7VW8

thats what headphones are for.

as for your track, it sounds good but ur vocals seem to go off beat or something. Other than that it sounds good.

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i'm in trebas, and no highschool, but you have to be +19 if you dont have highschool, which i am.

The only accredited school in Ontario to learn recording engineering is Fanshawe College in London. But, it's not the type of place you go to learn "this music stuff". It's the type of place you go if you want to make a career out of living and breathing music production and recording engineering of all types and genres. It's also next to impossible to get into as you have to be a somewhat accomplished musician (and not just electronic music).

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soo i guess the best thing for me is to wait untill i get my diploma and get into trebass i guess

Depends on what your goal is. If you want to work in a recording studio for a living, don't waste your time and money at Trebas. Institutes like that are considered a bit of a joke by most people who work in the industry, the same way the International Academy of Design (in Toronto) is looked down on by professional graphic designers (apologies to anyone who attends either of those "schools" but it's true). I worked at a studio for a few years and the engineers would laugh when they received an application with Trebas listed. If you really want to work as a recording engineer, my advice would be to find a small local studio and see if you can get a job as a lackey. It won't pay much but it will get you in the environment and if you're lucky and express enough interest they'll hopefully let you start getting in on some of the recording sessions or teaching you about the process and equipment in general. Alternatively, go through your highschool and try and find a studio that you could do a co-op program with (this is what I did). Given your age, that might be your best option as it's a very difficult industry to get into with little or no experience.

If you just want to produce electronic music and aren't interested in working in a studio with other genres of music and other people's music, teach yourself. Save up and get some gear (hardware and software), learn it inside out, and read everything you can about recording techniques, synthesis etc...
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here's some good places to start: www.soundonsound.com and www.futureproducers.com
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Last edited by xls on Jan-31-2005 at 20:46

i would second that trebas isnt a wise choice

i would recommend speakin to Drale about Harris Institute (think thats it) and also like xls suggested about bein a recording studio as a lacky...but racism seems to be an issue...i.e. my history with Green House (choclairs label...apparently there not to kind with italians)

as for jus EDM...i would suggest checking out

www.serious-sounds.net and reading there forums...they have a well done list of how to create melodies for every genre of edm along with tips on basslines percs build-ups wooshes etc.

there is also my site www.alphazen.com (switch the ph to a f)were i provide links to free samples n vst's to start off

sebasano

gl with this journey bro...u got to have alot of patience with this along with an open-mind

P.S. i do not recommendusing hardphones to produce...alot of shit happens where the sounds might be too high...or high pitched which could seriously damage ur hearing...i would be very cautious with headphones...i dont use'em

hey yeah someone mentioned something about co op - i did do that actually i was going to some guys apartment where he has a studio setup in downtown toronto, i went there a couple of times. The reason for this is because he was really busy and he was making an album. I only went like 4 weekends in a row, he tried to assign me to work with his oher buddys but that didnt work out either. I just couldnt waste 3 hours going and comin back. thats like the biggest mission u can pull. I couldnt even write down those 3 hours as my hours to pass Co op.

Some guy on the net told me to get this book called The Dance Music Manual ...it has 500 pages , and it teachs u alot. I can order one from chapters book store.

Should i buy that book and learn from it.

and im also thinking about buying a access virus c, a pair of monitors, and a mixer maybe.

If i put this book to test i think it would be a good idea wut do u think ?

oh yah and im thinkin of getin a sample cd with one shot samples and alot of loops....maybe even a couple of cds. cuz my samples are really bad.

im against loops...cuz there a waste

Sebasano

ummm okk?

but do u think wut i said is a good idea lol

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Originally posted by unleashed_gino1 hey yeah someone mentioned something about co op - i did do that actually i was going to some guys apartment where he has a studio setup in downtown toronto, i went there a couple of times. The reason for this is because he was really busy and he was making an album. I only went like 4 weekends in a row, he tried to assign me to work with his oher buddys but that didnt work out either. I just couldnt waste 3 hours going and comin back. thats like the biggest mission u can pull. I couldnt even write down those 3 hours as my hours to pass Co op. Some guy on the net told me to get this book called The Dance Music Manual ...it has 500 pages , and it teachs u alot. I can order one from chapters book store. Should i buy that book and learn from it. and im also thinking about buying a access virus c, a pair of monitors, and a mixer maybe. If i put this book to test i think it would be a good idea wut do u think ? oh yah and im thinkin of getin a sample cd with one shot samples and alot of loops....maybe even a couple of cds. cuz my samples are really bad.

3 hours going and coming back? Where are you going/coming from? There's bound to be something closer to you!

Books are an excellent place to start. There's also a ton of info on the net. For best results, don't just narrow your focus to Dance Music. Recording Engineering has basic rules and techniques that apply to every genre. Learn about how more advanced effects like compressors and gates work and when to use them. Learn those basics first and then specialize to particular genres by learning the tips and tricks. The book you mentioned looks pretty good on first glance, but it might not have the absolute basics you need to learn first.

As for buying some gear, the virus is an excellent synth, very flexible. It's fairly easy to use but you will need the manual. Decent monitors and a good mixer are a must as well. What are you planning to use as a sequencer? I recommend Cubase but others will argue to no end about Reason, Fruity Loops, Cakewalk, etc... I like Cubase because it's MIDI implementation is amazing and I find the mixer closely emulates a hardware mixer as far as routing capabilities etc... But I've been using it since the early 90s and have never used anything else so I'm obviously biased.

Sample CDs are good - you'll need a good sample library (and a decent software sampler). As for the comments about loops being a waste - that's bullshit. As long as you don't build entire tracks out of pre-canned loops, they're very useful. Just make sure you process them enough that you've got something original and you're set.

Above all else, don't expect overnight results. I started producing as a hobby in 92-93ish and didn't have my first label release until 2000. Gear, software and presets have improved a lot since then, so you should be able to get decent results in a shorter time than that, but you will still need to be patient.

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hey thanks alot man i love wut u said and i agree to that - this place is the best ,and thanks to all of u..

this is wut im planning to do. i am going to buy soem books maybe 3 or 4 and learn the basics of everything. i do have some connections here with producers but i dunt know them my self my friends know themn. After i have read those books i will go to those guys and maybe put wut i know to work and ill even pay them to teach me wut they know and basic studio stuff.

after that i want to get a pair of monitors. and a synth ( access virus )....I dunt know about the mixer , can i go mixerless...wut exactly is soo good about mixer, am i just able to controll the volumes and pans - cuz i can do that in my sequencer ( sonar )...

Thanks