I find it sooo fast/easy to tell the difference between a good production/bad production when i listen to a track on vinyl. especially when mixing it. like it normally takes a good 32 beats to tell. like push - tranceformation. I like it alot, but isnt produced, or maby mastered well. It sounds verry cluttered. I get this every now and then. Another producer in mind are the new dereck howells tracks, i think they suck, and are not produced that well. no real build, boring synths.

I just wanted to say that . see what people feel about it.

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i know what youre talking about. ive noticed this with some MIKE productions. maybe thats the way theyre supposed to sound.. but some sections of his tracks sound too cluttered and just.. messy i guess. as an example, on my id&t pressing of robert gitelman - things 2 say.. the original mix sounds way better quality & production wise.. at least to my ears.

razzi.

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Originally posted by razzi i know what youre talking about. ive noticed this with some MIKE productions. maybe thats the way theyre supposed to sound.. but some sections of his tracks sound too cluttered and just.. messy i guess. as an example, on my id&t pressing of robert gitelman - things 2 say.. the original mix sounds way better quality & production wise.. at least to my ears. razzi.

yea thats what i mean

another track that annoys me is choopie & shmuel - uprising

it has an amazing melody imo, but the rest of the track, production wise sucks.

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with regards to MIKE's tracks, it is noticable in a bedroom environment, but it was very hard to find a trance track that sounded better in a club than most of MIKE's productions. these cluttered sections you speak of would totally fill the club and send the place mental. his stuff truly was club trance at it's best.

but yeah, i hate it when a cracking track is produced poorly, it takes the shine of what would otherwise be a corker.

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Originally posted by tu_face with regards to MIKE's tracks, it is noticable in a bedroom environment, but it was very hard to find a trance track that sounded better in a club than most of MIKE's productions. these cluttered sections you speak of would totally fill the club and send the place mental. his stuff truly was club trance at it's best. but yeah, i hate it when a cracking track is produced poorly, it takes the shine of what would otherwise be a corker.

i'm going to have to agree
i've always found his productions to be a great crowd pleaser
it sounds full and encompasing for lack of a better word
sure it may sound like crap in the bedroom, but it's not made for bedroom play, it's made to rock a club

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Originally posted by tu_face with regards to MIKE's tracks, it is noticable in a bedroom environment, but it was very hard to find a trance track that sounded better in a club than most of MIKE's productions. these cluttered sections you speak of would totally fill the club and send the place mental. his stuff truly was club trance at it's best. but yeah, i hate it when a cracking track is produced poorly, it takes the shine of what would otherwise be a corker.

+1.... i know what you're getting at exactly

I think sometimes when it sounds garbagey it could also be a crappy vinyl pressing too. I've listened to a couple tracks that just weren't well pressed and they sounded horrible just didn't have the sparkle and shine and fullness i usually hear with vinyl

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I hear you guys, and intersting thread.
One track that I found is a good example of this is Scott Project - Feeling Me.
The production isn't very good but the break down and the effect it has does make up for it.

With regards to MIKE's stuff... whooah nelly. Very well produced for the most but I sometimes find that some of the higher end stuff distorts, take Solar Factor (Another MIKE guise) - Urban shakedown. Amazing track but the high end synths seem to distort and at times even sound bad. Also when playing this out I find that you have to watch the high end e.q's as the result can be quite unpleasant on a big sound system.
Worth saying though... hard to find tracks that cause a bigger stir than some of his. Bloke is a genious.

It is a dangerous topic to pick on though as production is a very personal thing.
The other trap that I find that trance has fallen into at the moment that everything has amazing production but the content is so mundane and predictable that I would gladly sacrifice some production quality for some original ideas.
A State of Trance is a label that's so typical for this problem. The tracks are nice... but that's about as flattering as I care to get about them (again a personal thing).

And the more you get into producing tracks the more you will notice bad productions... pretty much all over the place. But you do have to decide what's the difference between something that's creatively good and technically good and which is more valuable to you.

Cheers
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